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> In our family-with-young-children-and-gas-heat before getting an EV, the clothes dryer was about 40-50% of our household energy usage all by itself. A decade

> In our family-with-young-children-and-gas-heat before getting an EV, the clothes dryer was about 40-50% of our household energy usage all by itself. A decade ago when I still had young babies and were cloth diapering, we hung dried as much as possible so I definitely concur. However unless you live in phoenix az, it's not a year round solution, and you end up using the Dryer a lot no matter what. The biggest culprit IMO is that humans aren't building housing based around the ecological area because it's "too expensive" for property developers to do the architectural and environmental planning necessary for 100+ year multi-generation, multi-family homes. We generally raze an area, and then build what is basically an ecologically dead zone for up to 5 people with imported non-native grasses (lawn) and plants that aren't built for the ecology of the area to last a maximum of 30-50 years [1][2] Said another way, everything you write is correct, but it's basically moot because human society building and growing in such a way that it is mathematically impossible to be ecologically sustainable. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusable-housing-revolution https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/16/japan-reusabl... [2]https://mosbybuildingarts.com/from-boom-to-break-down-the-problems-of-homes-built-between-1997-and-2007/ https://mosbybuildingarts.com/from-boom-to-break-down-the-pr...

detourdog 3y ago
I just ordered but haven’t received an Asko drying cabinet. it has hanging space for 52 linear feet and dehumidifies the cabinet and it contents. https://us.asko.com/laundry/drying-cabinets https://us.asko.com/laundry/drying-cabinets It gets delivered on the 25th and I’m really excited.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Looks cool! Doesn't solve the problem though, just tries to reduce the impact of a social structure that requires dry textiles of a certain kind and certain frequency of use. The actual goal should be to eliminate the structure that requires: "drying of wet clothes in period of time" So how would you eliminate the need for the entire wasteful laundry process altogether?
  - detourdog 3y ago
    I actually discovered the product becuase I thought I had to invent it. The way I see it is that there are certain number of mechanical process that keeps our standard of living high. I'm trying to shrink the energy footprint while maintaining or improving our high standard to living. I have an 8 apartment building that was formed by renovating an old school. Everything is pretty energy efficient and we have a 40 kW solar array. The overall goal I have is to continue to reduce the energy footprint while maintaining I hight standard of living. Ultrasonic is probably the most efficient way to eliminate our current laundry dogma. I don't know of any existing ultrasonic closets for clothes cleaning. I do know of ultrasonic water cleaners that are used to reduce detergents. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230001711/downloads/ICES_328_FINAL.pdf https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230001711/downloads/IC...
    - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
      Great write up > The way I see it is that there are certain number of mechanical process that keeps our standard of living high This is where I think I’m focused. Specifically “keeps our standard of living high” Can you think of a process to evaluate standard of living in a way that we would agree on how to measure standard of living?
      - detourdog 3y ago
        I would say that line of thought can be quite dangerous. I come to that conclusion because the human story seems completely devoted to that question. As an Industrial Designer with plenty of latitude of how to focus my time this is my approach. Our currently industrialized world has created opportunity for people above a certain earning threshold to make their own inflation. This can create many paradoxes but I will focus on one particular idea. There are people at high income levels in cities that live in tiny little apartments and and will pay above average prices for appliances. If these people purchase appliances with extreme efficiency and high costs they are not affected. Overtime the idea is that the high-end of the market is choosing the ultra products and the low-end is tagging along. Since both the high and the low market both are living in tiny apartments they share the same experience but at different price points. What I'm personally doing is using an 8 unit apartment building as a development lab for future appliances with this goal in mind. The past appliances have all come about with a new service for the "kitchen", fire, running water, refrigeration, and ... The process of renovating the building had me scale back the initial services. I have built out the apartments so that running new services to each unit is expected. I have a list of services such as compressed air I expect to make available to kitchen. What I believe is that we have to bring the energy envelope of the high-end to match the low-end. I have added my email to my about if anyone wants to speak further. https://cottagecraftworks.com/kitchen-food-prep/non-electric-kitchen-appliances/air-powered-appliances https://cottagecraftworks.com/kitchen-food-prep/non-electric...
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > Asko drying cabinet Thanks. I've never seen that. I'm not clear about how it works, and specifically about what energy it uses: Is it a dehumidifier and a fan? Is there any heat (I see they offer a heat-pump versinon)? Can I run it on fan-only mode (eg, like my clothing out in the breeze)?
  - detourdog 3y ago
    I believe it can run fan only. I think it depends on the humidity level inside the room. They make heat-pump and condensing dryers both are installed without a vent. I installed 7 condensing dryers in the other apartments. I think the tech specs show that the condensing dryer uses less energy. I also didn't want the heat-pump dryer adding a load to the apartments heat-pump heating system. The fear may have been unwarranted. I'm happy with the condensing dryers.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      Thanks!
wolverine876 3y ago
> unless you live in phoenix az, it's not a year round solution I hang clothes in 90+ F temperature and high humidity. Generally everything dries in a day, at most, no problem. After some experimentation: * Don't overlap clothes. (Maybe that's obvious.) * A slight air current is needed. I don't even mean a fan; merely opening the window on a calm day will create enough. I don't know why - maybe you just need enough to convect away the slowly forming water vapor and associated cool air. Obviously, the clothes must be exposed to the current. And while I'm at it, how to hang the clothes IME: * Fold each item over a bar [0]. The bar can be the crossbar of a standard hanger, a drying rack, a railing, etc. * You don't need to spread them out horizontally; the two sides hanging vertically and touching each other as in the image [0] dries just as fast (I wouldn't have guessed it, don't know why). * Don't hang the item by the shoulders; with the water weight, many items will stretch where the shoulder is on the hanger. Everything dries in a day in any weather, almost always. [0] https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F87%2F3a%2Fe2%2F873ae2a498f0de3791b983a7a8d873a0.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=81bb4cea133406ea7858174507a6e145934e18ff8134b1156c1b459902d94a7d&ipo=images https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F...

detourdog 3y ago

I just ordered but haven’t received an Asko drying cabinet. it has hanging space for 52 linear feet and dehumidifies the cabinet and it contents. https://us.asko.com/laundry/drying-cabinets https://us.asko.com/laundry/drying-cabinets It gets delivered on the 25th and I’m really excited.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Looks cool! Doesn't solve the problem though, just tries to reduce the impact of a social structure that requires dry textiles of a certain kind and certain frequency of use. The actual goal should be to eliminate the structure that requires: "drying of wet clothes in period of time" So how would you eliminate the need for the entire wasteful laundry process altogether?
- detourdog 3y ago
  I actually discovered the product becuase I thought I had to invent it. The way I see it is that there are certain number of mechanical process that keeps our standard of living high. I'm trying to shrink the energy footprint while maintaining or improving our high standard to living. I have an 8 apartment building that was formed by renovating an old school. Everything is pretty energy efficient and we have a 40 kW solar array. The overall goal I have is to continue to reduce the energy footprint while maintaining I hight standard of living. Ultrasonic is probably the most efficient way to eliminate our current laundry dogma. I don't know of any existing ultrasonic closets for clothes cleaning. I do know of ultrasonic water cleaners that are used to reduce detergents. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230001711/downloads/ICES_328_FINAL.pdf https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230001711/downloads/IC...
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    Great write up > The way I see it is that there are certain number of mechanical process that keeps our standard of living high This is where I think I’m focused. Specifically “keeps our standard of living high” Can you think of a process to evaluate standard of living in a way that we would agree on how to measure standard of living?
    - detourdog 3y ago
      I would say that line of thought can be quite dangerous. I come to that conclusion because the human story seems completely devoted to that question. As an Industrial Designer with plenty of latitude of how to focus my time this is my approach. Our currently industrialized world has created opportunity for people above a certain earning threshold to make their own inflation. This can create many paradoxes but I will focus on one particular idea. There are people at high income levels in cities that live in tiny little apartments and and will pay above average prices for appliances. If these people purchase appliances with extreme efficiency and high costs they are not affected. Overtime the idea is that the high-end of the market is choosing the ultra products and the low-end is tagging along. Since both the high and the low market both are living in tiny apartments they share the same experience but at different price points. What I'm personally doing is using an 8 unit apartment building as a development lab for future appliances with this goal in mind. The past appliances have all come about with a new service for the "kitchen", fire, running water, refrigeration, and ... The process of renovating the building had me scale back the initial services. I have built out the apartments so that running new services to each unit is expected. I have a list of services such as compressed air I expect to make available to kitchen. What I believe is that we have to bring the energy envelope of the high-end to match the low-end. I have added my email to my about if anyone wants to speak further. https://cottagecraftworks.com/kitchen-food-prep/non-electric-kitchen-appliances/air-powered-appliances https://cottagecraftworks.com/kitchen-food-prep/non-electric...
wolverine876 3y ago
> Asko drying cabinet Thanks. I've never seen that. I'm not clear about how it works, and specifically about what energy it uses: Is it a dehumidifier and a fan? Is there any heat (I see they offer a heat-pump versinon)? Can I run it on fan-only mode (eg, like my clothing out in the breeze)?
- detourdog 3y ago
  I believe it can run fan only. I think it depends on the humidity level inside the room. They make heat-pump and condensing dryers both are installed without a vent. I installed 7 condensing dryers in the other apartments. I think the tech specs show that the condensing dryer uses less energy. I also didn't want the heat-pump dryer adding a load to the apartments heat-pump heating system. The fear may have been unwarranted. I'm happy with the condensing dryers.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    Thanks!

wolverine876 3y ago

> unless you live in phoenix az, it's not a year round solution I hang clothes in 90+ F temperature and high humidity. Generally everything dries in a day, at most, no problem. After some experimentation: * Don't overlap clothes. (Maybe that's obvious.) * A slight air current is needed. I don't even mean a fan; merely opening the window on a calm day will create enough. I don't know why - maybe you just need enough to convect away the slowly forming water vapor and associated cool air. Obviously, the clothes must be exposed to the current. And while I'm at it, how to hang the clothes IME: * Fold each item over a bar [0]. The bar can be the crossbar of a standard hanger, a drying rack, a railing, etc. * You don't need to spread them out horizontally; the two sides hanging vertically and touching each other as in the image [0] dries just as fast (I wouldn't have guessed it, don't know why). * Don't hang the item by the shoulders; with the water weight, many items will stretch where the shoulder is on the hanger. Everything dries in a day in any weather, almost always. [0] https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F87%2F3a%2Fe2%2F873ae2a498f0de3791b983a7a8d873a0.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=81bb4cea133406ea7858174507a6e145934e18ff8134b1156c1b459902d94a7d&ipo=images https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F...