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> there's nothing special about yours or about NYC that makes yours better Well there is something special about the higher cost places. That thing special,

by stale2002 3y ago

> there's nothing special about yours or about NYC that makes yours better Well there is something special about the higher cost places. That thing special, is that they are more desirable by a much larger amount of people. Otherwise prices wouldn't be so high. So yes, the more in demand places are better to a much larger amount of people.

wolverine876 3y ago
Taylor Swift is preferred by a much larger number of people than Thelonius Monk is; does that make Swift 'better' than Monk? The quality of something and validity of people's preferences doesn't depend on popularity.
- Bajeezus 3y ago
  You're comparing a living superstar to someone who has been dead for over 40 years.
- BugsJustFindMe 3y ago
  > Taylor Swift is preferred by a much larger number of people than Thelonius Monk is; does that make Swift 'better' than Monk? For the average human music listener, yes that is what that means. Should we dive into the relationship between "preferred" and "better"? The preference is not individually objective, but objectively the people have spoken.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    > Should we dive into the relationship between "preferred" and "better"? Yes, that's what I'm talking about. They are not the same things; there is nothing magical about subjective preference that makes something 'better', no matter how many people share it. If they like burritos and I like ramen, does that make burritos 'better'? In fact, people can prefer things that are clearly 'worse', for many purposes, such as beer over hydration fluid. People can prefer things that are clearly wrong, such as disinformation.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      ultimately, when someone takes this stance what they really mean is that nothing is knowable so you're a terrible person for judging someone as if you know something! sue me. I think food for someone without food is more important than a middle class person being able to drive a brand new car. You can manipulate language as much as you want, I will still judge you for that opinion. A large part of why I made the post I did is because people post shit like this on this website and expect to be protected by such judgements. absolutely not, it's an immoral stance made by moneyed people who believe this site is a safe space.
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        What about it angers you? Do you have a personal experience with it? From what I can see, we're talking about real estate, not usually an inflammatory subject. Nobody else seems angry, but you seem to have something to be angry about. I can tell you from my experience, whatever it is, you seem to apply it to me. You're attributing things to me that I haven't said nor have they crossed my mind, and attacking me about whatever is making your angry. I just stopped by at my favorite spot for a chat.
        stale2002 3y ago
        The problem is that you are playing a word game that ignores anything that actually matters. Thereby destroying any interesting conversations that could be had about a topic. And you are doing it in the worst way possible where you get to be technically correct, but correct in a way that is completely irrelevant to what anyone else is saying and is also worthless. Here is how this conversation basically went. Other person: "I like these very common qualities about housing that many other people also like. This is proved by the fact that houses with all these qualities have much higher demand and price". You: "Whoa dude. Have you consider that everything is relative? And that there is no way to prove that those qualities are better than other qualities? What about a person who really likes their house to be burnt down. Or to have rats in their walls. Or to have high crime and being in constant danger. Nothing is better or worse dude!" All of this is completely worthless commentary. Yes, it is technically true that I cannot use math or science to prove that certain qualities about a house are better or worse. But that doesn't matter. Because we live in the real world and it is perfectly ok to generalize preferences without getting into the fact that I cannot prove to the universe that some qualities are better than others. Instead, we can just generalize things based on obvious and common preferences.
- stale2002 3y ago
  > The quality of something and validity of people's preferences doesn't depend on popularit When discussing demand and pricing, preferences are the only thing that matter. By definition the thing that is the most popular is the thing that is the most in demand and therefore has the most money trying to purchase that good. This is important and relevant to the discussion of housing, because it tells us how to satisfy the most people's preferences. Therefore my statement is true and you didn't agree with me when I said: 'Well there is something special about the higher cost places. That thing special, is that they are more desirable by a much larger amount of people.'. This statement is still true.

wolverine876 3y ago

Taylor Swift is preferred by a much larger number of people than Thelonius Monk is; does that make Swift 'better' than Monk? The quality of something and validity of people's preferences doesn't depend on popularity.

Bajeezus 3y ago
You're comparing a living superstar to someone who has been dead for over 40 years.
BugsJustFindMe 3y ago
> Taylor Swift is preferred by a much larger number of people than Thelonius Monk is; does that make Swift 'better' than Monk? For the average human music listener, yes that is what that means. Should we dive into the relationship between "preferred" and "better"? The preference is not individually objective, but objectively the people have spoken.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > Should we dive into the relationship between "preferred" and "better"? Yes, that's what I'm talking about. They are not the same things; there is nothing magical about subjective preference that makes something 'better', no matter how many people share it. If they like burritos and I like ramen, does that make burritos 'better'? In fact, people can prefer things that are clearly 'worse', for many purposes, such as beer over hydration fluid. People can prefer things that are clearly wrong, such as disinformation.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    ultimately, when someone takes this stance what they really mean is that nothing is knowable so you're a terrible person for judging someone as if you know something! sue me. I think food for someone without food is more important than a middle class person being able to drive a brand new car. You can manipulate language as much as you want, I will still judge you for that opinion. A large part of why I made the post I did is because people post shit like this on this website and expect to be protected by such judgements. absolutely not, it's an immoral stance made by moneyed people who believe this site is a safe space.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      What about it angers you? Do you have a personal experience with it? From what I can see, we're talking about real estate, not usually an inflammatory subject. Nobody else seems angry, but you seem to have something to be angry about. I can tell you from my experience, whatever it is, you seem to apply it to me. You're attributing things to me that I haven't said nor have they crossed my mind, and attacking me about whatever is making your angry. I just stopped by at my favorite spot for a chat.
      - stale2002 3y ago
        The problem is that you are playing a word game that ignores anything that actually matters. Thereby destroying any interesting conversations that could be had about a topic. And you are doing it in the worst way possible where you get to be technically correct, but correct in a way that is completely irrelevant to what anyone else is saying and is also worthless. Here is how this conversation basically went. Other person: "I like these very common qualities about housing that many other people also like. This is proved by the fact that houses with all these qualities have much higher demand and price". You: "Whoa dude. Have you consider that everything is relative? And that there is no way to prove that those qualities are better than other qualities? What about a person who really likes their house to be burnt down. Or to have rats in their walls. Or to have high crime and being in constant danger. Nothing is better or worse dude!" All of this is completely worthless commentary. Yes, it is technically true that I cannot use math or science to prove that certain qualities about a house are better or worse. But that doesn't matter. Because we live in the real world and it is perfectly ok to generalize preferences without getting into the fact that I cannot prove to the universe that some qualities are better than others. Instead, we can just generalize things based on obvious and common preferences.
stale2002 3y ago
> The quality of something and validity of people's preferences doesn't depend on popularit When discussing demand and pricing, preferences are the only thing that matter. By definition the thing that is the most popular is the thing that is the most in demand and therefore has the most money trying to purchase that good. This is important and relevant to the discussion of housing, because it tells us how to satisfy the most people's preferences. Therefore my statement is true and you didn't agree with me when I said: 'Well there is something special about the higher cost places. That thing special, is that they are more desirable by a much larger amount of people.'. This statement is still true.