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They’re only Amazon employees temporarily. Give equivalent money for other services by different businesses and these different businesses can hire them. I thi

They’re only Amazon employees temporarily. Give equivalent money for other services by different businesses and these different businesses can hire them. I think the point you make could be repeated for every boycott and sanction ever but most people don’t think these methods are inherently unethical.

latchkey 3y ago
If there was an equivalent solution, why aren't people just working there already?
- zogrodea 3y ago
  I must have been unclear because that’s not what I intended for people to understand. I was saying, if you want something from Amazon, don’t buy it there but from somewhere else instead (like Barnes & Nobles for ebooks, Azure/GCP for web services, whatever). If people do this on a large enough scale, those businesses will grow and start hiring people. Then the employees may have better places to work. That’s the point of boycotting Amazon, or Amazon might change its ways if the sting hurts too much. (I didn’t downvote you by the way.)
  - latchkey 3y ago
    This is wishful thinking.
- karolist 3y ago
  Money? We can only vote with our wallets and that's what we should do. Should we support all shitty companies and, dare I say, regimes employing people just because of "but think of the salaried employees" line? You know history is full of examples where a mass of people worked for some evil entity willingly because the system is structured around short term rewards and not looking at the big picture. edit: I didn't downvote you either, I don't use downvote as "I do not agree" button
  - latchkey 3y ago
    I don't find Amazon to be a shitty company though. I get a lot of value from their services. When I was living in Vietnam, I greatly missed the convenience of ordering something and having it appear in a day or two. Given their size, it seems I'm not the only one. I'd say that one person getting fired also falls into the anecdotal realm that primarily serves to give loud voices a forum.
    - karolist 3y ago
      Amazon is super evil, I appreciate you find value in their services, this can be true and the company can still be evil though. It leeches off opensource, it actively fights against employee rights, it copies most successful products in their marketplace and competes against them. Do you care enough so I should search sources to back these claims?
      - latchkey 3y ago
        I've been doing open source for 30 years now, I co-founded Java @ Apache. My code or something I touched, is probably in almost every server they operate. If I cared that Amazon might "leech" off my open source, I wouldn't have open sourced it. As for the rest, I don't believe that a boycott will have any effect on their practices. I believe that change is better effected from within.
        karolist 3y ago
        Impressive credentials, pleased to have had this short discourse with you, even though I disagree I am proud this evening, have a nice day

latchkey 3y ago

If there was an equivalent solution, why aren't people just working there already?

zogrodea 3y ago
I must have been unclear because that’s not what I intended for people to understand. I was saying, if you want something from Amazon, don’t buy it there but from somewhere else instead (like Barnes & Nobles for ebooks, Azure/GCP for web services, whatever). If people do this on a large enough scale, those businesses will grow and start hiring people. Then the employees may have better places to work. That’s the point of boycotting Amazon, or Amazon might change its ways if the sting hurts too much. (I didn’t downvote you by the way.)
- latchkey 3y ago
  This is wishful thinking.
karolist 3y ago
Money? We can only vote with our wallets and that's what we should do. Should we support all shitty companies and, dare I say, regimes employing people just because of "but think of the salaried employees" line? You know history is full of examples where a mass of people worked for some evil entity willingly because the system is structured around short term rewards and not looking at the big picture. edit: I didn't downvote you either, I don't use downvote as "I do not agree" button
- latchkey 3y ago
  I don't find Amazon to be a shitty company though. I get a lot of value from their services. When I was living in Vietnam, I greatly missed the convenience of ordering something and having it appear in a day or two. Given their size, it seems I'm not the only one. I'd say that one person getting fired also falls into the anecdotal realm that primarily serves to give loud voices a forum.
  - karolist 3y ago
    Amazon is super evil, I appreciate you find value in their services, this can be true and the company can still be evil though. It leeches off opensource, it actively fights against employee rights, it copies most successful products in their marketplace and competes against them. Do you care enough so I should search sources to back these claims?
    - latchkey 3y ago
      I've been doing open source for 30 years now, I co-founded Java @ Apache. My code or something I touched, is probably in almost every server they operate. If I cared that Amazon might "leech" off my open source, I wouldn't have open sourced it. As for the rest, I don't believe that a boycott will have any effect on their practices. I believe that change is better effected from within.
      - karolist 3y ago
        Impressive credentials, pleased to have had this short discourse with you, even though I disagree I am proud this evening, have a nice day