3 ms·

> The man didn't seem to want to quit, from the context, it's possible the person did not tell the truth. He may have worked himself too hard, I've known many p

> The man didn't seem to want to quit, from the context, it's possible the person did not tell the truth. He may have worked himself too hard, I've known many people that just didn't quit. Did you read the whole article carefully? There's a detailed description of the events that led to his death, and how the company's treatment of him and of his requests and complaints directly contributed to his death.

graphe 3y ago
Yes I did, and he continued to work, the writer alleged many things, and he continued to work to his death. I've known people that just didn't quit, even when it was better for them to. The context was he continued to work, again and again with claims from someone who wrote for a very biased publication. > On the Sunday before Dariusz died, he asked the supervisor to transfer him to another department because he was fed up with working too hard. Despite the requests, he continued to work alone at his post for about five hours. Something isn't adding up.
- CodeMage 3y ago
  What "isn't adding up" in that paragraph is possibly a problem with the reading comprehension. Dariusz requested a change, but it wasn't granted and he had to work alone for another five hours. Granted, the sentence could have been phrased in a way that didn't leave things open to your interpretation, but then we come to the second thing that "doesn't add up": your own bias, evident in your insistence on victim-blaming. People like Dariusz continue working in adverse, unhealthy conditions because they don't have the luxury of just quitting.
  - graphe 3y ago
    You don't know his story or anything about him, you are making up a narrative and insulting me. Find his backstory of him not being able to quit before you make up another fantasy.
    - CodeMage 3y ago
      I am not making up a narrative, I am presenting alternatives to the narrative you made up from the start. You're the one who said that Magda might not have been truthful and you offered arguments based on your own narrative about Dariusz being able to choose to quit freely, without consequences, and choosing to work himself to death. I provided counterarguments by showing how there are other alternatives you didn't think of. As for insults, it was not my intention to insult you and I'm not sure which part of my reply you found insulting. If it was the reading comprehension, then I apologize for the way it sounded: I merely meant to say you might not have understood the sentence properly, which is something that happens to everyone. If it was the part where I pointed out your bias, that's on you. When I point out that the person you're trying to blame for their own death might not conform to your own expectations -- the expectation that they are free to choose to quit without any consequences -- you're perfectly happy to call that a "fantasy", but you don't apply the same label to your own ideas about people who "want to work themselves to death". If you find the description of your biases insulting, maybe you should re-evaluate them.
      - graphe 3y ago
        Jacobian is a biased publication and I have read other untruthful biases they presented. I do not trust it. Dariusz worked himself to death, thanks in no small part to Amazon. Some people can be coaxed into working to death, I've known several people that have died in the restaurant business, they put themselves in that situation, they knew it was bad for years and they are a victim of circumstances just as Dariusz was. Where do you draw personal responsibility? They had been complaining, they did the same work or more, it was dangerous and bad. We don't ban jobs like roughnecks and our culture of rewarding working too hard is a problem. Some people love the high pressure tough on your body jobs, play hard work hard lifestyle. Even in programming there are people that work themselves to death. I know he worked too hard to his death and knew it was bad for a long time and continued to work there. There is no political statement besides the always work harder ethic which I don't agree with.
        CodeMage 3y ago

graphe 3y ago

Yes I did, and he continued to work, the writer alleged many things, and he continued to work to his death. I've known people that just didn't quit, even when it was better for them to. The context was he continued to work, again and again with claims from someone who wrote for a very biased publication. > On the Sunday before Dariusz died, he asked the supervisor to transfer him to another department because he was fed up with working too hard. Despite the requests, he continued to work alone at his post for about five hours. Something isn't adding up.

CodeMage 3y ago
What "isn't adding up" in that paragraph is possibly a problem with the reading comprehension. Dariusz requested a change, but it wasn't granted and he had to work alone for another five hours. Granted, the sentence could have been phrased in a way that didn't leave things open to your interpretation, but then we come to the second thing that "doesn't add up": your own bias, evident in your insistence on victim-blaming. People like Dariusz continue working in adverse, unhealthy conditions because they don't have the luxury of just quitting.
- graphe 3y ago
  You don't know his story or anything about him, you are making up a narrative and insulting me. Find his backstory of him not being able to quit before you make up another fantasy.
  - CodeMage 3y ago
    I am not making up a narrative, I am presenting alternatives to the narrative you made up from the start. You're the one who said that Magda might not have been truthful and you offered arguments based on your own narrative about Dariusz being able to choose to quit freely, without consequences, and choosing to work himself to death. I provided counterarguments by showing how there are other alternatives you didn't think of. As for insults, it was not my intention to insult you and I'm not sure which part of my reply you found insulting. If it was the reading comprehension, then I apologize for the way it sounded: I merely meant to say you might not have understood the sentence properly, which is something that happens to everyone. If it was the part where I pointed out your bias, that's on you. When I point out that the person you're trying to blame for their own death might not conform to your own expectations -- the expectation that they are free to choose to quit without any consequences -- you're perfectly happy to call that a "fantasy", but you don't apply the same label to your own ideas about people who "want to work themselves to death". If you find the description of your biases insulting, maybe you should re-evaluate them.
    - graphe 3y ago
      Jacobian is a biased publication and I have read other untruthful biases they presented. I do not trust it. Dariusz worked himself to death, thanks in no small part to Amazon. Some people can be coaxed into working to death, I've known several people that have died in the restaurant business, they put themselves in that situation, they knew it was bad for years and they are a victim of circumstances just as Dariusz was. Where do you draw personal responsibility? They had been complaining, they did the same work or more, it was dangerous and bad. We don't ban jobs like roughnecks and our culture of rewarding working too hard is a problem. Some people love the high pressure tough on your body jobs, play hard work hard lifestyle. Even in programming there are people that work themselves to death. I know he worked too hard to his death and knew it was bad for a long time and continued to work there. There is no political statement besides the always work harder ethic which I don't agree with.
      - CodeMage 3y ago