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From the article: > It can also play a useful role in social coordination: when we evince being creeped out at another’s behavior, this can be a signal to thos

From the article: > It can also play a useful role in social coordination: when we evince being creeped out at another’s behavior, this can be a signal to those who notice that we dislike or disapprove of that kind of behavior. If it gets back to the person engaging in the behavior, it may regulate their actions as well. Few people enjoy being thought of as a creep. A sexual harasser, for example, might not mind being thought of as a scoundrel, but would not want to be considered creepy. Further reading: > The trend results from 2003 to 2012 showed the vast majority of crimes were still committed by men with around 88% of homicides and 75% of all legal felonies. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime

kragen 3y ago
hmm, i think generally criminals are considered scoundrels rather than creepy? obviously it depends on the crime and the culture
- jijijijij 3y ago
  Doesn't matter what you would call an instance of a criminal, tho. Creepiness happens prior to victimization. Men are more violent. Women are associated with violence less, consequently they are less likely perceived as a risk by default. A sense of danger is required for creepiness. I think we both know, that's how it is, if we're being honest. no?! Would you rather hitchhike with a man, or a woman? Would you rather pick up a group of female or male hitchhikers?
  - kragen 3y ago
    i would rather hitchhike with a man or pick up a male hitchhiker, but i agree that a group of male hitchhikers would seem more dangerous to me not creepy, though; danger is clearly not necessary for creepiness. earthworms, socially awkward people, garter snakes, cockroaches, etc., are all considered creepy by most people despite the total lack of danger nor is danger sufficient for creepiness. the people who i've most seen victimize others have zero creepiness; in fact, they push the creepometer into negative numbers. they're anti-creepy. creepy people suck at victimizing others because they attract attention and because their possible victims are suspicious of them. so i strongly disagree with your assertion that 'creepiness happens prior to victimization'. derek chauvin was not creepy. donald trump was not creepy. elizabeth holmes was not creepy. the guys who mugged me on the train were not creepy if we want to limit the topic specifically to sexual assault, my own personal experience is that i've only ever been sexually assaulted by one or two people, both women; but most of the other people i know who have been sexually assaulted (that i know of) have only ever been sexually assaulted by men however, your rhetorical question, 'i think we both know, that's how it is, if we're being honest. no?!' is super creepy. your implication that anyone who disagrees with you is simply being dishonest about their true beliefs, and their true desires are the same as your desires even though they're saying the opposite, that makes me want to reach for my pepper spray or find a bouncer. i'm glad you don't know where i live
    - jijijijij 3y ago
      > danger is clearly not necessary for creepiness Have you even read the article of this post? You are derailing the conversation and are moving the goal post of the argument
      - kragen 3y ago
        the article gives numerous examples of creepiness without danger, and you are trolling
pmarreck 3y ago
> It can also play a useful role in social coordination: when we evince being creeped out at another’s behavior, this can be a signal to those who notice that we dislike or disapprove of that kind of behavior. If it gets back to the person engaging in the behavior, it may regulate their actions as well. The problem is that this is not a rational argument against someone's behavior, it's just an appeal to popularity. Disapproval based on nothing empirical is just a taste-based argument, which is fallacious. Basically, the Overton window as applied to socially-acceptable behavior. 50 years ago, anything remotely homosexual was met with extreme social disapproval; it was just as bad an argument against it then as it is now- the only difference is that social approval progressed, and arguably became more rational. > sex differences in crime This is a sexist argument. By definition. You could make a racist one just as easily. So basically, you start off with a nonsensical/irrational argument, and end with a sexist one. Congrats?

kragen 3y ago

hmm, i think generally criminals are considered scoundrels rather than creepy? obviously it depends on the crime and the culture

jijijijij 3y ago
Doesn't matter what you would call an instance of a criminal, tho. Creepiness happens prior to victimization. Men are more violent. Women are associated with violence less, consequently they are less likely perceived as a risk by default. A sense of danger is required for creepiness. I think we both know, that's how it is, if we're being honest. no?! Would you rather hitchhike with a man, or a woman? Would you rather pick up a group of female or male hitchhikers?
- kragen 3y ago
  i would rather hitchhike with a man or pick up a male hitchhiker, but i agree that a group of male hitchhikers would seem more dangerous to me not creepy, though; danger is clearly not necessary for creepiness. earthworms, socially awkward people, garter snakes, cockroaches, etc., are all considered creepy by most people despite the total lack of danger nor is danger sufficient for creepiness. the people who i've most seen victimize others have zero creepiness; in fact, they push the creepometer into negative numbers. they're anti-creepy. creepy people suck at victimizing others because they attract attention and because their possible victims are suspicious of them. so i strongly disagree with your assertion that 'creepiness happens prior to victimization'. derek chauvin was not creepy. donald trump was not creepy. elizabeth holmes was not creepy. the guys who mugged me on the train were not creepy if we want to limit the topic specifically to sexual assault, my own personal experience is that i've only ever been sexually assaulted by one or two people, both women; but most of the other people i know who have been sexually assaulted (that i know of) have only ever been sexually assaulted by men however, your rhetorical question, 'i think we both know, that's how it is, if we're being honest. no?!' is super creepy. your implication that anyone who disagrees with you is simply being dishonest about their true beliefs, and their true desires are the same as your desires even though they're saying the opposite, that makes me want to reach for my pepper spray or find a bouncer. i'm glad you don't know where i live
  - jijijijij 3y ago
    > danger is clearly not necessary for creepiness Have you even read the article of this post? You are derailing the conversation and are moving the goal post of the argument
    - kragen 3y ago
      the article gives numerous examples of creepiness without danger, and you are trolling

pmarreck 3y ago

> It can also play a useful role in social coordination: when we evince being creeped out at another’s behavior, this can be a signal to those who notice that we dislike or disapprove of that kind of behavior. If it gets back to the person engaging in the behavior, it may regulate their actions as well. The problem is that this is not a rational argument against someone's behavior, it's just an appeal to popularity. Disapproval based on nothing empirical is just a taste-based argument, which is fallacious. Basically, the Overton window as applied to socially-acceptable behavior. 50 years ago, anything remotely homosexual was met with extreme social disapproval; it was just as bad an argument against it then as it is now- the only difference is that social approval progressed, and arguably became more rational. > sex differences in crime This is a sexist argument. By definition. You could make a racist one just as easily. So basically, you start off with a nonsensical/irrational argument, and end with a sexist one. Congrats?