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> The man didn't seem to want to quit... For a lot of people quitting (or losing their job) is not an option. I'm sure if they had a choice they wouldn't work

> The man didn't seem to want to quit... For a lot of people quitting (or losing their job) is not an option. I'm sure if they had a choice they wouldn't work in such a place as Amazon warehouse. Let's not blame the victim, we should punish Amazon (and similar corporations) instead. It makes me sad and angry that such things can happen - unfortunately I can't boycot them more than I do already. I'll stop boycotting them when they start treating their employees right... Not holding my breath though.

graphe 3y ago
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- whatshisface 3y ago
  It's so nice and comforting to think that this person could have died voluntarily, thank you for that fantasy. /s
- neilv 3y ago
  My read of the article was that the victim was stuck in the job, and desperately trying to get it made tolerable by petitioning the company, and the company was instead making it worse. I read your message to suggest something very different: that the victim did it to themself, and would work themself to death some other way, if not at this company, and the company is really blameless.
  - graphe 3y ago
    I think the person writing this is biased and using this person's unfortunate death for political gain. Dariusz is a victim of circumstance, a mental unwillingness to stop working for any period of time, a situation I have also tried to stop friends who were exploited from workplaces in the restaurant industry again and again. Only mental health would have saved him from throwing himself off the metaphorical cliff; if not Amazon, another place. You read it correctly but I feel sympathy for the victim.
    - neilv 3y ago
      Maybe there is this related-sounding issue that has been close to you from friends, and you are sensitized to try to spot it elsewhere (like we learn from trauma)? Is it possible that the person in the article didn't fully fit the pattern to which you've been sensitized, and that the biggest cause in that case is actually different? Also, in case of your friends, maybe there are two problems to address: (1) any weakness of self or situation that makes them vulnerable to being exploited; and (2) any party that consciously or negligently exploits that. Maybe the reason I'm pushing back on this: I've known people who soldier through tough situations they shouldn't have to, including someone who died from it. In all cases, they tried hard to get out of the situation, but people who were the cause of the bad, or whose job was to be a check on the bad, either refused to help, or made it worse by trying to cover it up rather than fix it. I think that to blame the victims in those situations would be incorrect.
      - graphe 3y ago
        The end result was that in all these cases, they worked themselves to death and they had a poor sense of self preservation. This is the pattern I see. If I was to be positive on Amazon I'd suggest that they may have paid bonuses or some incentives to keep him there. I believe that Dariusz may have been paid bonuses but I ignored that as it wasn't important for self preservation, I'm taking the negative stance that they fostered this environment, but the writer did not die or want to leave the job, and many others quit due to their own sense of self preservation. Self preservation isn't an innate trait and I feel sympathy for Dariusz that he did not have that trait.
    - kelnos 3y ago
      Nonsense. You didn't know this person at all, and I suspect you aren't a licensed psychiatrist, so you have no place diagnosing him with some sort of work-himself-to-death mental illness. The most likely and simplest explanation is that he believed he needed this job in order to survive, and as the staff around his job function was reduced and he was given more to do, he felt he had no choice but to do the extra work that was assigned to him, or else lose his job and suffer financial ruin.

graphe 3y ago

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whatshisface 3y ago
It's so nice and comforting to think that this person could have died voluntarily, thank you for that fantasy. /s
neilv 3y ago
My read of the article was that the victim was stuck in the job, and desperately trying to get it made tolerable by petitioning the company, and the company was instead making it worse. I read your message to suggest something very different: that the victim did it to themself, and would work themself to death some other way, if not at this company, and the company is really blameless.
- graphe 3y ago
  I think the person writing this is biased and using this person's unfortunate death for political gain. Dariusz is a victim of circumstance, a mental unwillingness to stop working for any period of time, a situation I have also tried to stop friends who were exploited from workplaces in the restaurant industry again and again. Only mental health would have saved him from throwing himself off the metaphorical cliff; if not Amazon, another place. You read it correctly but I feel sympathy for the victim.
  - neilv 3y ago
    Maybe there is this related-sounding issue that has been close to you from friends, and you are sensitized to try to spot it elsewhere (like we learn from trauma)? Is it possible that the person in the article didn't fully fit the pattern to which you've been sensitized, and that the biggest cause in that case is actually different? Also, in case of your friends, maybe there are two problems to address: (1) any weakness of self or situation that makes them vulnerable to being exploited; and (2) any party that consciously or negligently exploits that. Maybe the reason I'm pushing back on this: I've known people who soldier through tough situations they shouldn't have to, including someone who died from it. In all cases, they tried hard to get out of the situation, but people who were the cause of the bad, or whose job was to be a check on the bad, either refused to help, or made it worse by trying to cover it up rather than fix it. I think that to blame the victims in those situations would be incorrect.
    - graphe 3y ago
      The end result was that in all these cases, they worked themselves to death and they had a poor sense of self preservation. This is the pattern I see. If I was to be positive on Amazon I'd suggest that they may have paid bonuses or some incentives to keep him there. I believe that Dariusz may have been paid bonuses but I ignored that as it wasn't important for self preservation, I'm taking the negative stance that they fostered this environment, but the writer did not die or want to leave the job, and many others quit due to their own sense of self preservation. Self preservation isn't an innate trait and I feel sympathy for Dariusz that he did not have that trait.
  - kelnos 3y ago
    Nonsense. You didn't know this person at all, and I suspect you aren't a licensed psychiatrist, so you have no place diagnosing him with some sort of work-himself-to-death mental illness. The most likely and simplest explanation is that he believed he needed this job in order to survive, and as the staff around his job function was reduced and he was given more to do, he felt he had no choice but to do the extra work that was assigned to him, or else lose his job and suffer financial ruin.