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Amazon warehouses have cameras. Lots of them. Do they not in Poland? The man didn't seem to want to quit, from the context, it's possible the person did not tel

by graphe 3y ago

Amazon warehouses have cameras. Lots of them. Do they not in Poland? The man didn't seem to want to quit, from the context, it's possible the person did not tell the truth. He may have worked himself too hard, I've known many people that just didn't quit.

bornfreddy 3y ago
> The man didn't seem to want to quit... For a lot of people quitting (or losing their job) is not an option. I'm sure if they had a choice they wouldn't work in such a place as Amazon warehouse. Let's not blame the victim, we should punish Amazon (and similar corporations) instead. It makes me sad and angry that such things can happen - unfortunately I can't boycot them more than I do already. I'll stop boycotting them when they start treating their employees right... Not holding my breath though.
- graphe 3y ago
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  - whatshisface 3y ago
    It's so nice and comforting to think that this person could have died voluntarily, thank you for that fantasy. /s
  - neilv 3y ago
    My read of the article was that the victim was stuck in the job, and desperately trying to get it made tolerable by petitioning the company, and the company was instead making it worse. I read your message to suggest something very different: that the victim did it to themself, and would work themself to death some other way, if not at this company, and the company is really blameless.
    - graphe 3y ago
      I think the person writing this is biased and using this person's unfortunate death for political gain. Dariusz is a victim of circumstance, a mental unwillingness to stop working for any period of time, a situation I have also tried to stop friends who were exploited from workplaces in the restaurant industry again and again. Only mental health would have saved him from throwing himself off the metaphorical cliff; if not Amazon, another place. You read it correctly but I feel sympathy for the victim.
      - neilv 3y ago
        Maybe there is this related-sounding issue that has been close to you from friends, and you are sensitized to try to spot it elsewhere (like we learn from trauma)? Is it possible that the person in the article didn't fully fit the pattern to which you've been sensitized, and that the biggest cause in that case is actually different? Also, in case of your friends, maybe there are two problems to address: (1) any weakness of self or situation that makes them vulnerable to being exploited; and (2) any party that consciously or negligently exploits that. Maybe the reason I'm pushing back on this: I've known people who soldier through tough situations they shouldn't have to, including someone who died from it. In all cases, they tried hard to get out of the situation, but people who were the cause of the bad, or whose job was to be a check on the bad, either refused to help, or made it worse by trying to cover it up rather than fix it. I think that to blame the victims in those situations would be incorrect.
        graphe 3y ago
        The end result was that in all these cases, they worked themselves to death and they had a poor sense of self preservation. This is the pattern I see. If I was to be positive on Amazon I'd suggest that they may have paid bonuses or some incentives to keep him there. I believe that Dariusz may have been paid bonuses but I ignored that as it wasn't important for self preservation, I'm taking the negative stance that they fostered this environment, but the writer did not die or want to leave the job, and many others quit due to their own sense of self preservation. Self preservation isn't an innate trait and I feel sympathy for Dariusz that he did not have that trait.
      - 3y ago
CodeMage 3y ago
> The man didn't seem to want to quit, from the context, it's possible the person did not tell the truth. He may have worked himself too hard, I've known many people that just didn't quit. Did you read the whole article carefully? There's a detailed description of the events that led to his death, and how the company's treatment of him and of his requests and complaints directly contributed to his death.
- graphe 3y ago
  Yes I did, and he continued to work, the writer alleged many things, and he continued to work to his death. I've known people that just didn't quit, even when it was better for them to. The context was he continued to work, again and again with claims from someone who wrote for a very biased publication. > On the Sunday before Dariusz died, he asked the supervisor to transfer him to another department because he was fed up with working too hard. Despite the requests, he continued to work alone at his post for about five hours. Something isn't adding up.
  - CodeMage 3y ago
    What "isn't adding up" in that paragraph is possibly a problem with the reading comprehension. Dariusz requested a change, but it wasn't granted and he had to work alone for another five hours. Granted, the sentence could have been phrased in a way that didn't leave things open to your interpretation, but then we come to the second thing that "doesn't add up": your own bias, evident in your insistence on victim-blaming. People like Dariusz continue working in adverse, unhealthy conditions because they don't have the luxury of just quitting.
    - graphe 3y ago
      You don't know his story or anything about him, you are making up a narrative and insulting me. Find his backstory of him not being able to quit before you make up another fantasy.
      - CodeMage 3y ago
kelnos 3y ago
For some people, quitting their job is a financial death sentence. It should be unsurprising that people continue to work at a job where they think it may negatively impact their health, rather than quitting, which they know will have serious consequences for them.

by graphe 3y ago

bornfreddy 3y ago

> The man didn't seem to want to quit... For a lot of people quitting (or losing their job) is not an option. I'm sure if they had a choice they wouldn't work in such a place as Amazon warehouse. Let's not blame the victim, we should punish Amazon (and similar corporations) instead. It makes me sad and angry that such things can happen - unfortunately I can't boycot them more than I do already. I'll stop boycotting them when they start treating their employees right... Not holding my breath though.

graphe 3y ago
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- whatshisface 3y ago
  It's so nice and comforting to think that this person could have died voluntarily, thank you for that fantasy. /s
- neilv 3y ago
  My read of the article was that the victim was stuck in the job, and desperately trying to get it made tolerable by petitioning the company, and the company was instead making it worse. I read your message to suggest something very different: that the victim did it to themself, and would work themself to death some other way, if not at this company, and the company is really blameless.
  - graphe 3y ago
    I think the person writing this is biased and using this person's unfortunate death for political gain. Dariusz is a victim of circumstance, a mental unwillingness to stop working for any period of time, a situation I have also tried to stop friends who were exploited from workplaces in the restaurant industry again and again. Only mental health would have saved him from throwing himself off the metaphorical cliff; if not Amazon, another place. You read it correctly but I feel sympathy for the victim.
    - neilv 3y ago
      Maybe there is this related-sounding issue that has been close to you from friends, and you are sensitized to try to spot it elsewhere (like we learn from trauma)? Is it possible that the person in the article didn't fully fit the pattern to which you've been sensitized, and that the biggest cause in that case is actually different? Also, in case of your friends, maybe there are two problems to address: (1) any weakness of self or situation that makes them vulnerable to being exploited; and (2) any party that consciously or negligently exploits that. Maybe the reason I'm pushing back on this: I've known people who soldier through tough situations they shouldn't have to, including someone who died from it. In all cases, they tried hard to get out of the situation, but people who were the cause of the bad, or whose job was to be a check on the bad, either refused to help, or made it worse by trying to cover it up rather than fix it. I think that to blame the victims in those situations would be incorrect.
      - graphe 3y ago
        The end result was that in all these cases, they worked themselves to death and they had a poor sense of self preservation. This is the pattern I see. If I was to be positive on Amazon I'd suggest that they may have paid bonuses or some incentives to keep him there. I believe that Dariusz may have been paid bonuses but I ignored that as it wasn't important for self preservation, I'm taking the negative stance that they fostered this environment, but the writer did not die or want to leave the job, and many others quit due to their own sense of self preservation. Self preservation isn't an innate trait and I feel sympathy for Dariusz that he did not have that trait.
    - 3y ago

CodeMage 3y ago

> The man didn't seem to want to quit, from the context, it's possible the person did not tell the truth. He may have worked himself too hard, I've known many people that just didn't quit. Did you read the whole article carefully? There's a detailed description of the events that led to his death, and how the company's treatment of him and of his requests and complaints directly contributed to his death.

graphe 3y ago
Yes I did, and he continued to work, the writer alleged many things, and he continued to work to his death. I've known people that just didn't quit, even when it was better for them to. The context was he continued to work, again and again with claims from someone who wrote for a very biased publication. > On the Sunday before Dariusz died, he asked the supervisor to transfer him to another department because he was fed up with working too hard. Despite the requests, he continued to work alone at his post for about five hours. Something isn't adding up.
- CodeMage 3y ago
  What "isn't adding up" in that paragraph is possibly a problem with the reading comprehension. Dariusz requested a change, but it wasn't granted and he had to work alone for another five hours. Granted, the sentence could have been phrased in a way that didn't leave things open to your interpretation, but then we come to the second thing that "doesn't add up": your own bias, evident in your insistence on victim-blaming. People like Dariusz continue working in adverse, unhealthy conditions because they don't have the luxury of just quitting.
  - graphe 3y ago
    You don't know his story or anything about him, you are making up a narrative and insulting me. Find his backstory of him not being able to quit before you make up another fantasy.
    - CodeMage 3y ago

kelnos 3y ago

For some people, quitting their job is a financial death sentence. It should be unsurprising that people continue to work at a job where they think it may negatively impact their health, rather than quitting, which they know will have serious consequences for them.