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Wait. You were fired because you said to HR that you are going to be a father next week? How is this even legal?

by IlikeMadison 3y ago

jjulius 3y ago
I think they're saying that they notified them on Tuesday, and were canned Friday.
earthwalker99 3y ago
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- pierat 3y ago
  Keep on fighting the good fight. I'll keep on eating their money from below with pierat-sy. Saved money on music, shows, and programs means harm to the fucks at the top.
- filoleg 3y ago
  > Those downvoting me for sharing the literal definition of capitalism should at least have the self-respect to defend themselves. I downvoted because it is off-topic and very obvious flamebait, as simple as that. No one downvoted you just for sharing the dictionary definition of capitalism, you woulda gotten plenty of upvotes for that exact same comment in a thread where it was actually relevant.
- kelnos 3y ago
  If "capitalism" is the reason that it's ok to fire someone because they're about to have a child, then capitalism is garbage and should be discarded. Systems that prioritize money over humans are disgusting, and, sadly, we have far too many of them in modern society. Note that we implicitly recognize this through law: there is no such thing as a "free market". Markets are regulated, and we have things like FMLA because we understand that capitalism is heartless, and if we allowed it free rein, we'd live in a dystopian society that no one except the wealthy elite would actually want. Unfortunately, even with all that, we still don't control enough of capitalism's negative effects on people. That's why I downvoted you. Also, don't complain about downvotes. That's against the HN guidelines, and will usually get you downvoted further; complaining about downvotes rarely leads to interesting discussion. If you're unsure why you're being downvoted, maybe that's your problem, not ours. No one lacks self-respect because they see an obviously-crappy comment, downvotes it, and moves on without "defending" their vote. The entire concept you are trying to push with that is nonsensical.
Cheer2171 3y ago
So called "right to work" laws that actually give employers the right to fire for no cause. As long as an employer doesn't say what the cause was, employers in those states can fire you for "no cause" even if the hidden reason would be an illegal cause if they stated it. It's only illegal if someone gets caught specifically saying the firing was because the employee is having a kid. Coincidences are not considered admissable evidence in those courts.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  I think you’re conflating “at will employment” with “right to work”. The first allows no-reason, no-notice termination of employment by both parties (which doesn’t really work - the employee usually needs income more than the employer needs a single employer). The second is related to the ability to unionize.
  - dantheman 3y ago
    Right to work is about being forced to be a member of a union.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >reason would be an illegal cause if they stated it. That's true but it's also exactly what you go to court for. Then the court audits and determines if this was a coincidence or malice. That's why employers don't often make it this obvious. Like firing an employee 3 days after announcing they are a protected employee.
Cheer2171 3y ago
To earthwalker99: You got downvoted to death because you called out downvotes against you, but to explain more issues with your argument: Capitalism is a system of organizing society based on private ownership of the means of economic production. You're saying capitalism is about prioritizing the rights to capital accumulation by the current holders of capital, which is one specific form of capitalism, often called crony capitalism. Private ownership of the means of production is more orthogonal to workers rights. There are capitalist economics in countries with very strong workers rights and unions, but where the means of production are still privately owned. Capitalism is fully compatible with strong family and medical leave protections, even though those who own the means of production are disincentived in the short term from giving workers rights. The fact that the US is worse on workers rights isn't a problem unique to capitalism.

Wait. You were fired because you said to HR that you are going to be a father next week? How is this even legal?

jjulius 3y ago

I think they're saying that they notified them on Tuesday, and were canned Friday.

earthwalker99 3y ago

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pierat 3y ago
Keep on fighting the good fight. I'll keep on eating their money from below with pierat-sy. Saved money on music, shows, and programs means harm to the fucks at the top.
filoleg 3y ago
> Those downvoting me for sharing the literal definition of capitalism should at least have the self-respect to defend themselves. I downvoted because it is off-topic and very obvious flamebait, as simple as that. No one downvoted you just for sharing the dictionary definition of capitalism, you woulda gotten plenty of upvotes for that exact same comment in a thread where it was actually relevant.
kelnos 3y ago
If "capitalism" is the reason that it's ok to fire someone because they're about to have a child, then capitalism is garbage and should be discarded. Systems that prioritize money over humans are disgusting, and, sadly, we have far too many of them in modern society. Note that we implicitly recognize this through law: there is no such thing as a "free market". Markets are regulated, and we have things like FMLA because we understand that capitalism is heartless, and if we allowed it free rein, we'd live in a dystopian society that no one except the wealthy elite would actually want. Unfortunately, even with all that, we still don't control enough of capitalism's negative effects on people. That's why I downvoted you. Also, don't complain about downvotes. That's against the HN guidelines, and will usually get you downvoted further; complaining about downvotes rarely leads to interesting discussion. If you're unsure why you're being downvoted, maybe that's your problem, not ours. No one lacks self-respect because they see an obviously-crappy comment, downvotes it, and moves on without "defending" their vote. The entire concept you are trying to push with that is nonsensical.

Cheer2171 3y ago

So called "right to work" laws that actually give employers the right to fire for no cause. As long as an employer doesn't say what the cause was, employers in those states can fire you for "no cause" even if the hidden reason would be an illegal cause if they stated it. It's only illegal if someone gets caught specifically saying the firing was because the employee is having a kid. Coincidences are not considered admissable evidence in those courts.

alistairSH 3y ago
I think you’re conflating “at will employment” with “right to work”. The first allows no-reason, no-notice termination of employment by both parties (which doesn’t really work - the employee usually needs income more than the employer needs a single employer). The second is related to the ability to unionize.
- dantheman 3y ago
  Right to work is about being forced to be a member of a union.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>reason would be an illegal cause if they stated it. That's true but it's also exactly what you go to court for. Then the court audits and determines if this was a coincidence or malice. That's why employers don't often make it this obvious. Like firing an employee 3 days after announcing they are a protected employee.

Cheer2171 3y ago

To earthwalker99: You got downvoted to death because you called out downvotes against you, but to explain more issues with your argument: Capitalism is a system of organizing society based on private ownership of the means of economic production. You're saying capitalism is about prioritizing the rights to capital accumulation by the current holders of capital, which is one specific form of capitalism, often called crony capitalism. Private ownership of the means of production is more orthogonal to workers rights. There are capitalist economics in countries with very strong workers rights and unions, but where the means of production are still privately owned. Capitalism is fully compatible with strong family and medical leave protections, even though those who own the means of production are disincentived in the short term from giving workers rights. The fact that the US is worse on workers rights isn't a problem unique to capitalism.