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Right! We keep arguing about the gray areas, and in the mean time we make headway in refining them and defining what is black and what is white, little by littl
by dahart 3y ago
Right! We keep arguing about the gray areas, and in the mean time we make headway in refining them and defining what is black and what is white, little by little, right? Lawyers don’t usually argue over things that are well defined though, unless they’re trying to make a contrived point. They treat the ‘no vehicles in the park’ example differently than most people. The example invites assumption. It would be entirely different if the example said the park’s pathways are public sidewalks and as such are under the same laws. Then it would be more obvious that the survey results isn’t exhibiting disagreement, it’s exhibiting lack of knowledge and incorrect assumptions of the existing laws.
You’re right we have a lot of laws, but I’d argue the laws aren’t actually that complex, framing it as millions of pages might not be accurate for which laws apply to me. Each state has their own laws, the majority of which are similar. For any given topic, say driving in traffic, most of it is covered by a modest number of rules & pages. The large number of total pages in US law is more about the large number of topics and behaviors and technologies. It’s true that a simple shared rule cannot cover driving a car, copying a movie, getting into a fight, trading stocks, and food safety all at the same time.
Edit: for fun, I just looked it up and the US federal code is ~60k pages. It’s large, but it’s easy to see why looking at the list of 54 titles https://uscode.house.gov/ https://uscode.house.gov/ I don’t see page counts for any state codes I’d tried to lookup, but I’m not surprised if it’s similar. On one hand, to your point, it’s a lot of laws. On the other hand it’s almost surprising that state and federal laws combined are less than a million pages, considering the breadth and enormity of the topics that is covering hundreds of millions of people.
- pixl97 3y agoThis is also complicated by a few other factors, for example, what is counted as a law. Are building codes laws? If we consider them as laws, you have to take those codes over 50 states, plus any differences in local municipalities in effect.
- dahart 3y agoYes building codes are laws, I’d say. You do have to take all of them, if your point is to show how many combined laws there are. You do not have to take all of them if your question is what are the rules about building a single-family home on this plot I own in Pasadena, CA. This is relevant to all the laws. I’m not part of a bank or a factory or a railroad, and I live and work in one specific city in a specific state. Therefore, the vast majority of laws that exist don’t apply or matter to me right now. The sum of laws that do apply to me aren’t that big or that complicated. Lots of other people have different situations, and banks and factories exist, so this is why we need to have lots of laws. I’m hopefully just stating the obvious, I’m just saying having a lot of laws isn’t a problem, and doesn’t demonstrate the thesis that it’s impossible to agree on what’s allowed. All it really demonstrates is there’s a lot of people that do a lot of different things.