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OK, but what does this mean for UK residents entering the Common Travel Area through Ireland? While not exactly the same, my wife is a Danish resident; when we

by Svip 3y ago

OK, but what does this mean for UK residents entering the Common Travel Area through Ireland? While not exactly the same, my wife is a Danish resident; when we travel in and out of the Schengen area, she needs to bring her residency card. While Danish passport control can phone up the right people, if she has forgotten her card, I doubt other Schengen area passport controls would/could. They could then tell from her stamps, that she had overstayed her visa in the Schengen area, and would not permit her in, if she entered the Schengen area outside Denmark and without the residency card. Is Irish passport control expected to look up UK residents' residency through the UK's website?

secondcoming 3y ago
Are you talking about travelling to the UK via Ireland? If so, the only time passports are typically checked is when you're about to board the plane. Even then it's just used for id purposes, it's not done by passport control. You don't even need a passport, just photo id, but it seems most people use their passport anyway. It's not unheard of that when landing in the UK from Ireland, there's no passport control at all. That may depend on the airport though.
- Svip 3y ago
  No, I am talking about entering the Common Travel Area (CTA) through Ireland. Suppose I am a Canadian citizen and a UK resident, and I live in Belfast. I've been to Nova Scotia and I am travelling back through Dublin. Will Dublin's passport control be available to determine my visa given my Canadian passport?
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  - fauigerzigerk 3y ago
    I don't believe Canadian nationals need a visa to enter Ireland. But if you need to prove your UK residence status for whatever reason, you can log in to your UKVI account and generate a passcode that a third party can use to verify your status. https://www.gov.uk/view-prove-immigration-status https://www.gov.uk/view-prove-immigration-status
- axsharma 3y ago
  While there is minimal or no passport control within the CTA, for example when travelling between UK and Ireland, the expectation is that the passenger is a citizen of a country whose nationals would not normally require a visa to enter either. This alone may not be sufficiently proven by an ID document like driving license, and some airlines will only accept passport for travel. https://help.ryanair.com/hc/en-gb/articles/12889174472721-What-do-I-need-to-check-in https://help.ryanair.com/hc/en-gb/articles/12889174472721-Wh... Having a long term residency visa in the UK, but an Indian passport for example, would not automatically qualify you for travel to Ireland without a separate visa, although lax checks within the CTA may, in theory, let you travel if no one looks hard enough and should an airline be satisfied with your UK driving licence alone (and assume you're either an Irish or British citizen). The requirment is further complicated by the fact that some third country nationals holding either a used and valid UK or Irish short term (tourist) visa can travel to either countries without issues due to the British-Irish Visa Scheme/treaty, but the same courtesy wouldn't apply to a third country national with a (long term) UK BRP - they'd need a separate visa for Ireland. Border checks or lack thereof in the CTA are a rather interesting subject matter.
raverbashing 3y ago
> Is Irish passport control expected to look up UK residents' residency through the UK's website? Yes they probably can and will do that if the need arises
- wkat4242 3y ago
  I've never been asked for anything pertaining to the UK when entering Ireland anyway. I go to Ireland regularly but I've decided never to visit the UK again or do business there since Brexit. If they don't want us Europeans there I don't want them :P
  - raverbashing 3y ago
    They will only ask if you're connecting there (or saying you're going there). (And vice versa, you (should) go through the UK Border if you're connecting to Ireland through a UK airport)
lxgr 3y ago
Family members of EU citizens are allowed entry into and free movement within the Schengen area by law. Showing or even owning a residency card is not required to exercise that right, which makes it quite different to the situation in various other countries, where that right is actually tied to having completed some bureaucratic act in addition to qualifying for it. Of course it makes it much easier – carrying a marriage certificate is obviously less practical than the card, and that's why it exists. But as far as I know, Schengen border posts are required to accept the marriage certificate as well. A weird detail is that this right technically does not apply in the EU citizen's home country, but since you mentioned that Danish authorities can figure it out by phone, that shouldn't be an issue in your case.
ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
> They could then tell from her stamps, that she had overstayed her visa in the Schengen area, and would not permit her in, if she entered the Schengen area outside Denmark and without the residency card. All Frontex (Schengen border control) officials have access to VIS, the Visa Information System, which is part of SIS, the Schengen Information System. As a result, they can verify residency status with nothing more than name and date of birth (or, of course, from a passport).

by Svip 3y ago

secondcoming 3y ago

Are you talking about travelling to the UK via Ireland? If so, the only time passports are typically checked is when you're about to board the plane. Even then it's just used for id purposes, it's not done by passport control. You don't even need a passport, just photo id, but it seems most people use their passport anyway. It's not unheard of that when landing in the UK from Ireland, there's no passport control at all. That may depend on the airport though.

Svip 3y ago
No, I am talking about entering the Common Travel Area (CTA) through Ireland. Suppose I am a Canadian citizen and a UK resident, and I live in Belfast. I've been to Nova Scotia and I am travelling back through Dublin. Will Dublin's passport control be available to determine my visa given my Canadian passport?
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- fauigerzigerk 3y ago
  I don't believe Canadian nationals need a visa to enter Ireland. But if you need to prove your UK residence status for whatever reason, you can log in to your UKVI account and generate a passcode that a third party can use to verify your status. https://www.gov.uk/view-prove-immigration-status https://www.gov.uk/view-prove-immigration-status
axsharma 3y ago
While there is minimal or no passport control within the CTA, for example when travelling between UK and Ireland, the expectation is that the passenger is a citizen of a country whose nationals would not normally require a visa to enter either. This alone may not be sufficiently proven by an ID document like driving license, and some airlines will only accept passport for travel. https://help.ryanair.com/hc/en-gb/articles/12889174472721-What-do-I-need-to-check-in https://help.ryanair.com/hc/en-gb/articles/12889174472721-Wh... Having a long term residency visa in the UK, but an Indian passport for example, would not automatically qualify you for travel to Ireland without a separate visa, although lax checks within the CTA may, in theory, let you travel if no one looks hard enough and should an airline be satisfied with your UK driving licence alone (and assume you're either an Irish or British citizen). The requirment is further complicated by the fact that some third country nationals holding either a used and valid UK or Irish short term (tourist) visa can travel to either countries without issues due to the British-Irish Visa Scheme/treaty, but the same courtesy wouldn't apply to a third country national with a (long term) UK BRP - they'd need a separate visa for Ireland. Border checks or lack thereof in the CTA are a rather interesting subject matter.

raverbashing 3y ago

> Is Irish passport control expected to look up UK residents' residency through the UK's website? Yes they probably can and will do that if the need arises

wkat4242 3y ago
I've never been asked for anything pertaining to the UK when entering Ireland anyway. I go to Ireland regularly but I've decided never to visit the UK again or do business there since Brexit. If they don't want us Europeans there I don't want them :P
- raverbashing 3y ago
  They will only ask if you're connecting there (or saying you're going there). (And vice versa, you (should) go through the UK Border if you're connecting to Ireland through a UK airport)

lxgr 3y ago

Family members of EU citizens are allowed entry into and free movement within the Schengen area by law. Showing or even owning a residency card is not required to exercise that right, which makes it quite different to the situation in various other countries, where that right is actually tied to having completed some bureaucratic act in addition to qualifying for it. Of course it makes it much easier – carrying a marriage certificate is obviously less practical than the card, and that's why it exists. But as far as I know, Schengen border posts are required to accept the marriage certificate as well. A weird detail is that this right technically does not apply in the EU citizen's home country, but since you mentioned that Danish authorities can figure it out by phone, that shouldn't be an issue in your case.

ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago

> They could then tell from her stamps, that she had overstayed her visa in the Schengen area, and would not permit her in, if she entered the Schengen area outside Denmark and without the residency card. All Frontex (Schengen border control) officials have access to VIS, the Visa Information System, which is part of SIS, the Schengen Information System. As a result, they can verify residency status with nothing more than name and date of birth (or, of course, from a passport).