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Males should use a male bathroom if they decide to gender bathrooms. Women should use the appropriate facilities. Trans men are men, trans women are women. An

Males should use a male bathroom if they decide to gender bathrooms. Women should use the appropriate facilities. Trans men are men, trans women are women. Any person with bad intent can just walk into the other restroom right now. Trans folks aren't those people. I also don't check genitals of folks in the toilet. I simply don't care as long as my stall is private. People shouldn't look between the cracks in the stalls present in the US to check, either. The best solution is unisex toilets with proper, private stalls.

bingobo 3y ago
Many people, even those who are well aware that transwomen are men, are somewhat willing to turn a blind eye in bathrooms because, as you noted in your comment, the stalls are enclosed. But other spaces are much more contentious. Perhaps a less abstract question gets to the point better: do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls? Even progressives who believe that transwomen are women are usually quite uncomfortable giving an affirmative answer to that one.
- rpmisms 3y ago
  The real answer is that the potential for abuse is very high, and we need to be very careful when shredding very old societal norms.
- alienthrowaway 3y ago
  > Perhaps a less abstract question gets to the point better: do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls? Should older lesbians have the right to do the same with teenage girls? If you could identify lesbians - would you ban them from those spaces because they may get titillated or molest the kids? The lingering puritanism is fascinating to witness, even as the US becomes less religious
  - bingobo 3y ago
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- Broken_Hippo 3y ago
  I don't think teenagers should be forced to undress in a room with others, regardless of age. Everyone should be offered a private place to change. Your questions are trying to bait folks and are purposefully getting people's genders wrong. It is clear from your language that you don't understand and haven't tried.
  - bingobo 3y ago
    Given that communal changing rooms already exist and aren't going anywhere any time soon, you're just avoiding answering the actual question. Here's another: if you see an eight-year-old girl going into a public toilet, and shortly afterwards you see a man go into the same toilet, do you (a) alert someone to ensure the girl is safe, or (b) assume that the man identifies as female and do nothing?

bingobo 3y ago

Many people, even those who are well aware that transwomen are men, are somewhat willing to turn a blind eye in bathrooms because, as you noted in your comment, the stalls are enclosed. But other spaces are much more contentious. Perhaps a less abstract question gets to the point better: do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls? Even progressives who believe that transwomen are women are usually quite uncomfortable giving an affirmative answer to that one.

rpmisms 3y ago
The real answer is that the potential for abuse is very high, and we need to be very careful when shredding very old societal norms.
alienthrowaway 3y ago
> Perhaps a less abstract question gets to the point better: do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls? Should older lesbians have the right to do the same with teenage girls? If you could identify lesbians - would you ban them from those spaces because they may get titillated or molest the kids? The lingering puritanism is fascinating to witness, even as the US becomes less religious
- bingobo 3y ago
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Broken_Hippo 3y ago
I don't think teenagers should be forced to undress in a room with others, regardless of age. Everyone should be offered a private place to change. Your questions are trying to bait folks and are purposefully getting people's genders wrong. It is clear from your language that you don't understand and haven't tried.
- bingobo 3y ago
  Given that communal changing rooms already exist and aren't going anywhere any time soon, you're just avoiding answering the actual question. Here's another: if you see an eight-year-old girl going into a public toilet, and shortly afterwards you see a man go into the same toilet, do you (a) alert someone to ensure the girl is safe, or (b) assume that the man identifies as female and do nothing?