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Well, I don't even have to turn my head, <super + ]> and the screen for the web browser appears in front of my eyes. To be fair, on my keyboard super + ] is rig

by d-lisp 3y ago

Well, I don't even have to turn my head, <super + ]> and the screen for the web browser appears in front of my eyes. To be fair, on my keyboard super + ] is right thumb + right index finger. I have shortcuts for every program that I use, and every program that I use has its virtual desktop binded to some key combination on what is a very weird keyboard. And I maintain that a small screen is perfect for redacting code (and I had a similar setup of yours in the past).

leptons 3y ago
>Well, I don't even have to turn my head NEITHER DO I. I don't know how much clearer I can make that, yet you still refuse to understand. ><super + ]> and the screen for the web browser appears in front of my eyes. To be fair, on my keyboard super + ] is right thumb + right index finger. I have shortcuts for every program that I use, and every program that I use has its virtual desktop binded to some key combination on what is a very weird keyboard. None of this is relevant to me in the least. I don't have to do any of it, because all the info I need is already in view of my eyeballs >>without moving my head at all<<, as if that's even some kind of manufactured inconvenience. >And I maintain that a small screen is perfect for redacting code (and I had a similar setup of yours in the past). Sure, if all you do is interact with one single text editor, and not any of the many other screens that modern development requires. Having this conversation with you is pointless, enjoy your mediocre computing experience.
- d-lisp 3y ago
  That's not mediocre by any mean, it's highly probable my setup virtually covers more screen area than yours.
  - leptons 3y ago
    I use virtual desktops with my huge monitor real estate, so no, you don't get to claim that. And I can see more going on at the same time. It's absolutely more efficient than a single screen for my complex development needs. There's just so many workflows that are so much better with multiple displays, but you really just can't see it? I'm sorry, but you have a mediocre computing experience, and I know it, because I have a laptop and I know what using one screen is like vs. efficiently being able to see more data at the same time. I know all the tricks, I've been computing for 40+ years. I also know that hardware is cheap, and my time is not cheap, and more information being displayed definitely does increase my efficiency. I was just developing a 3d model using OpenJSCAD with code in one window, and a view of the 3D model in 2 perspectives in 2 other windows. I write code, hit save, and see the 3d model update, and it's a very visual oriented thing, switching windows so I can see the result would remove my ability to see the updates happen, which informs me that the model is updated correctly. I also have a debugger window open and other windows that I always need to see all the time. You just can't do this with a single screen, it's not possible without cutting the screen up into tiny sections or constantly flipping between them which is DX friction. It's simply an excruciatingly cramped experience to get what I have within a single screen, and no mental gymnastics you could do would change that.
    - d-lisp 3y ago
      Well, I honestly do such things on one monitor and I don't need more, I don't know what else to say; switching virtual desktops seamlessly is second nature and from this I fail to see the point of having multiple monitors when there is a clever approach to the problem. Shader editor, game engine, IDE, debugger, all of this can fit on a single screen, be peeked when needed to, you can layer stuff, make use of transparency, whatever you want given the appropriate window manager and keybindings server, I prefer to invest on this than on monitors as it seems a clever way to get informations from the computer. You can develop a 3d model by not looking at it when you code, because you are coding and not drawing or sculpting and because what you do is deterministic.
      - leptons 3y ago
        >"Microsoft researchers found that switching to multiple monitor configurations could boost productivity between 9 percent and 50 percent2. Tech consultant Jon Peddie Research reported that *users of multiple monitors estimated productivity gains averaging 42 percent3*." >"98% of users preferred a dual monitor configurator to a single monitor." https://www.ie-uk.com/blog/how-multiple-monitors-affects-productivity-and-wellbeing https://www.ie-uk.com/blog/how-multiple-monitors-affects-pro... >"FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE PRODUCTIVITY BOOSTER Purchasing another display is a fairly low investment when looking at technology. Monitors range in price based on size and specification but typically a suitable one can be purchased from £200. And with a 42% average productivity boost, it can provide a great ROI. Even an ultrawide monitor with a built in dock to reduce desk clutter only costs around £600." https://itfoundations.com/are-two-monitors-really-more-productive-than-one/ https://itfoundations.com/are-two-monitors-really-more-produ... >"A study in 2017 by Fujitsu Siemens Computers analyzed whether multiple monitors boosted productivity. The company found that two monitors increased productivity by 25 percent compared to single-monitor setups. Workspaces equipped with three displays can increase productivity by 35.5% >This study was further backed up by scientists from the University of Utah have shown with their studies on the subject." https://www.graphicdesigneire.ie/graphic-design-blog/multiple-monitors-boost-productivity-by-up-to-35 https://www.graphicdesigneire.ie/graphic-design-blog/multipl... >"Over 15 years, Jon Peddie Research conducted three separate studies on the effectiveness of a two-monitor setup compared to using just one monitor. >It found that the overall average productivity boost was 42% when users added that second monitor. >The firm also found that between 2002 and 2017, there’s been a significant rise in the use of two monitors, with a compound annual growth rate of 10%. The company’s namesake put it simply saying, “The more you can see, the more you can do.”" https://www.cloudavize.com/dual-monitor-setup-productivity/ https://www.cloudavize.com/dual-monitor-setup-productivity/ > 1. Increase Productivity > 2. It’s More Enjoyable! > 3. Excellent for Meetings > 4. Make Fewer Errors > 5. Reduces Switchtasking Time > 6. Cutting & Pasting > 7. Better for Team Work > 8. Helps Maintain Focus > 9. Sharing Data https://www.cloudavize.com/dual-monitor-setup-productivity/ https://www.cloudavize.com/dual-monitor-setup-productivity/ But sure, you're right and everyone else is wrong. I wonder if you consider an "ultrawide" to be one monitor? My dream actually is to have one monitor. A single 65" curved 8k screen, sectioned off into about 8 different virtual screens. It's not really about how many screens you have, it's about how many pixels and viewable surface area (screen real estate). I stopped counting my setup in "screens" years ago and count it in megapixels for a long time now. Right now I have 24 million pixels across a 55" area. It's pretty fantastic. I think big, and do big things. I don't know what you do, but you're doing it - according to research - 42% slower than you could be.

by d-lisp 3y ago

leptons 3y ago

>Well, I don't even have to turn my head NEITHER DO I. I don't know how much clearer I can make that, yet you still refuse to understand. ><super + ]> and the screen for the web browser appears in front of my eyes. To be fair, on my keyboard super + ] is right thumb + right index finger. I have shortcuts for every program that I use, and every program that I use has its virtual desktop binded to some key combination on what is a very weird keyboard. None of this is relevant to me in the least. I don't have to do any of it, because all the info I need is already in view of my eyeballs >>without moving my head at all<<, as if that's even some kind of manufactured inconvenience. >And I maintain that a small screen is perfect for redacting code (and I had a similar setup of yours in the past). Sure, if all you do is interact with one single text editor, and not any of the many other screens that modern development requires. Having this conversation with you is pointless, enjoy your mediocre computing experience.

d-lisp 3y ago
That's not mediocre by any mean, it's highly probable my setup virtually covers more screen area than yours.
- leptons 3y ago
  I use virtual desktops with my huge monitor real estate, so no, you don't get to claim that. And I can see more going on at the same time. It's absolutely more efficient than a single screen for my complex development needs. There's just so many workflows that are so much better with multiple displays, but you really just can't see it? I'm sorry, but you have a mediocre computing experience, and I know it, because I have a laptop and I know what using one screen is like vs. efficiently being able to see more data at the same time. I know all the tricks, I've been computing for 40+ years. I also know that hardware is cheap, and my time is not cheap, and more information being displayed definitely does increase my efficiency. I was just developing a 3d model using OpenJSCAD with code in one window, and a view of the 3D model in 2 perspectives in 2 other windows. I write code, hit save, and see the 3d model update, and it's a very visual oriented thing, switching windows so I can see the result would remove my ability to see the updates happen, which informs me that the model is updated correctly. I also have a debugger window open and other windows that I always need to see all the time. You just can't do this with a single screen, it's not possible without cutting the screen up into tiny sections or constantly flipping between them which is DX friction. It's simply an excruciatingly cramped experience to get what I have within a single screen, and no mental gymnastics you could do would change that.
  - d-lisp 3y ago
    Well, I honestly do such things on one monitor and I don't need more, I don't know what else to say; switching virtual desktops seamlessly is second nature and from this I fail to see the point of having multiple monitors when there is a clever approach to the problem. Shader editor, game engine, IDE, debugger, all of this can fit on a single screen, be peeked when needed to, you can layer stuff, make use of transparency, whatever you want given the appropriate window manager and keybindings server, I prefer to invest on this than on monitors as it seems a clever way to get informations from the computer. You can develop a 3d model by not looking at it when you code, because you are coding and not drawing or sculpting and because what you do is deterministic.
    - leptons 3y ago
      >"Microsoft researchers found that switching to multiple monitor configurations could boost productivity between 9 percent and 50 percent2. Tech consultant Jon Peddie Research reported that *users of multiple monitors estimated productivity gains averaging 42 percent3*." >"98% of users preferred a dual monitor configurator to a single monitor." https://www.ie-uk.com/blog/how-multiple-monitors-affects-productivity-and-wellbeing https://www.ie-uk.com/blog/how-multiple-monitors-affects-pro... >"FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE PRODUCTIVITY BOOSTER Purchasing another display is a fairly low investment when looking at technology. Monitors range in price based on size and specification but typically a suitable one can be purchased from £200. And with a 42% average productivity boost, it can provide a great ROI. Even an ultrawide monitor with a built in dock to reduce desk clutter only costs around £600." https://itfoundations.com/are-two-monitors-really-more-productive-than-one/ https://itfoundations.com/are-two-monitors-really-more-produ... >"A study in 2017 by Fujitsu Siemens Computers analyzed whether multiple monitors boosted productivity. The company found that two monitors increased productivity by 25 percent compared to single-monitor setups. Workspaces equipped with three displays can increase productivity by 35.5% >This study was further backed up by scientists from the University of Utah have shown with their studies on the subject." https://www.graphicdesigneire.ie/graphic-design-blog/multiple-monitors-boost-productivity-by-up-to-35 https://www.graphicdesigneire.ie/graphic-design-blog/multipl... >"Over 15 years, Jon Peddie Research conducted three separate studies on the effectiveness of a two-monitor setup compared to using just one monitor. >It found that the overall average productivity boost was 42% when users added that second monitor. >The firm also found that between 2002 and 2017, there’s been a significant rise in the use of two monitors, with a compound annual growth rate of 10%. The company’s namesake put it simply saying, “The more you can see, the more you can do.”" https://www.cloudavize.com/dual-monitor-setup-productivity/ https://www.cloudavize.com/dual-monitor-setup-productivity/ > 1. Increase Productivity > 2. It’s More Enjoyable! > 3. Excellent for Meetings > 4. Make Fewer Errors > 5. Reduces Switchtasking Time > 6. Cutting & Pasting > 7. Better for Team Work > 8. Helps Maintain Focus > 9. Sharing Data https://www.cloudavize.com/dual-monitor-setup-productivity/ https://www.cloudavize.com/dual-monitor-setup-productivity/ But sure, you're right and everyone else is wrong. I wonder if you consider an "ultrawide" to be one monitor? My dream actually is to have one monitor. A single 65" curved 8k screen, sectioned off into about 8 different virtual screens. It's not really about how many screens you have, it's about how many pixels and viewable surface area (screen real estate). I stopped counting my setup in "screens" years ago and count it in megapixels for a long time now. Right now I have 24 million pixels across a 55" area. It's pretty fantastic. I think big, and do big things. I don't know what you do, but you're doing it - according to research - 42% slower than you could be.