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Putin lied about the motivation of Germany and failed to mention, that the Soviet Union itself invaded parts of Poland. Hitler's motivation was to conquer and e

by _19qg 3y ago

Putin lied about the motivation of Germany and failed to mention, that the Soviet Union itself invaded parts of Poland. Hitler's motivation was to conquer and enslave East Europe. Getting Danzig back was not the motivation. It was only a stepping stone. The Soviet Union itself worked together with Nazi Germany and attacked & invaded Poland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact Putin should be convicted for war crimes. We learned nothing new from Putin, this stuff was all already explained by him. The right-wing "interviewer" from the US acted like a tool.

somenameforme 3y ago
You might want to watch the interview. In that section Putin obviously mentioned that the USSR also invaded Poland. That's when Western Ukraine, which had been part of Poland, came back under 'Soviet' control! Which is, again, a rather critical part of relevant contemporary history. As Wiki puts it [1]: --- "The response of non-ethnic Poles to the situation caused considerable complications. Many Ukrainians, Belarusians and Jews welcomed the invading troops.[100] Local Communists gathered people to welcome the Red Army troops in the traditional Slavic way by presenting bread and salt in the eastern suburb of Brest. A sort of triumphal arch on two poles, decked with spruce branches and flowers was fashioned for this occasion. A slogan in Russian on a long red banner, glorifying the USSR and welcoming the Red Army, crowned the arch.[101] The event was recorded by Lev Mekhlis, who reported to Stalin that the people of the West Ukraine welcomed the Soviet troops "like true liberators".[102] The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists rebelled against Polish rule and Communist partisans stirred up local revolts, such as in Skidel.[1]". --- [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#Domestic_reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#Dome...
- _19qg 3y ago
  The Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east and ruled there with terror, mass-killings and deportations. "back under soviet control" means that the SU was taking the opportunity to conquer parts of Poland in an undeclared war, working together with Nazi Germany. Sure that it also exploited local conflicts.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    You won't find too many arguments from me here. Stalin was the absolute embodiment of Machiavellianism, which I loathe with a passion like none other. The inevitability of people like him in politics are the reason I think overly centralized political systems are doomed to failure, sooner or later. Had he not been the main reason Nazism was defeated, I think his legacy, as colored as it already is, would have been very different. But, on the other hand, the importance of and the sacrifices suffered in the defeat of Nazism cannot be overstated. Such is history that sometimes great people do awful things, and sometimes awful people do great things.
    - _19qg 3y ago
      Nothing about the war in the Ukraine is great, not Putin, not the "things". There is only the will of the people of the Ukraine to defend their country. Putin was (and is) too dumb to see this. Nothing about the war against Poland was great. Putin is an aggressor and he even tried to justify his history view with Poland/Germany from 1939. From the interview: "Hitler asked them to give it amicably, but they refused." That's complete nonsense, Hitler had very different motives and Poland knew that it was not "amicably". What is disturbing, is that Putin compares his own motives to attack the Ukraine to the German/Polish situation in 1939, where we see Putin siding in his arguments with Hitler. That's completely crazy. Hitler had all staged this, back then, to conquer Poland and follow his long-term goals & plans (-> kill the jews, enslave east europe). Putin reverses the attacker and the victim.

by _19qg 3y ago

somenameforme 3y ago

You might want to watch the interview. In that section Putin obviously mentioned that the USSR also invaded Poland. That's when Western Ukraine, which had been part of Poland, came back under 'Soviet' control! Which is, again, a rather critical part of relevant contemporary history. As Wiki puts it [1]: --- "The response of non-ethnic Poles to the situation caused considerable complications. Many Ukrainians, Belarusians and Jews welcomed the invading troops.[100] Local Communists gathered people to welcome the Red Army troops in the traditional Slavic way by presenting bread and salt in the eastern suburb of Brest. A sort of triumphal arch on two poles, decked with spruce branches and flowers was fashioned for this occasion. A slogan in Russian on a long red banner, glorifying the USSR and welcoming the Red Army, crowned the arch.[101] The event was recorded by Lev Mekhlis, who reported to Stalin that the people of the West Ukraine welcomed the Soviet troops "like true liberators".[102] The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists rebelled against Polish rule and Communist partisans stirred up local revolts, such as in Skidel.[1]". --- [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#Domestic_reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#Dome...

_19qg 3y ago
The Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east and ruled there with terror, mass-killings and deportations. "back under soviet control" means that the SU was taking the opportunity to conquer parts of Poland in an undeclared war, working together with Nazi Germany. Sure that it also exploited local conflicts.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  You won't find too many arguments from me here. Stalin was the absolute embodiment of Machiavellianism, which I loathe with a passion like none other. The inevitability of people like him in politics are the reason I think overly centralized political systems are doomed to failure, sooner or later. Had he not been the main reason Nazism was defeated, I think his legacy, as colored as it already is, would have been very different. But, on the other hand, the importance of and the sacrifices suffered in the defeat of Nazism cannot be overstated. Such is history that sometimes great people do awful things, and sometimes awful people do great things.
  - _19qg 3y ago
    Nothing about the war in the Ukraine is great, not Putin, not the "things". There is only the will of the people of the Ukraine to defend their country. Putin was (and is) too dumb to see this. Nothing about the war against Poland was great. Putin is an aggressor and he even tried to justify his history view with Poland/Germany from 1939. From the interview: "Hitler asked them to give it amicably, but they refused." That's complete nonsense, Hitler had very different motives and Poland knew that it was not "amicably". What is disturbing, is that Putin compares his own motives to attack the Ukraine to the German/Polish situation in 1939, where we see Putin siding in his arguments with Hitler. That's completely crazy. Hitler had all staged this, back then, to conquer Poland and follow his long-term goals & plans (-> kill the jews, enslave east europe). Putin reverses the attacker and the victim.