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Which part(s) of my statement do you deem "outrageous"? Which of the below points of reasoning do you see as fallacious, and why? - Sex is (in most cases) a mo

Which part(s) of my statement do you deem "outrageous"? Which of the below points of reasoning do you see as fallacious, and why? - Sex is (in most cases) a mother's free choice - A child's conception is the consequence of this choice - This consequence gives the mother a moral duty to care for her child

nobody9999 3y ago
Do you have a functioning female reproductive system? If you do, your statements/beliefs may well apply to you. Beyond that, you have nothing useful or worthwhile to say to or about anyone else. I don't doubt that you believe the statements you made. As is appropriate. But that you think you (or anyone else, for that matter) have some sort of authority over the bodies of others (in that you can prescribe appropriate actions) is what's outrageous. Think terminating pregnancies is a bad thing? Then don't terminate your own pregnancies. Otherwise, mind your own business. And what goes on inside the bodies of others is most definitely not your business.
- Georgelemental 3y ago
  Authority over other people's bodies is the basis of all law. For example, if I use my body to shoot up a school, society has a right to stop me and hold me to account for the consequences of the actions I took with said body. More generally, my unlimited rights over my own body end when the actions I perform with that body affect other people. And an unborn child is "other people."
  - nobody9999 3y ago
    >an unborn child is "other people." That's a matter of significant debate in the medical community. And in religious[0] communities as well. You appear to be mistaking your trained-in prejudices for the laws of nature. I assure you, they are not the latter, only the former. As I mentioned, you do not appear to be a "reasonable" person with whom I can disagree. And so I'll say it one, last time: mind your own fucking business. [0] https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-fetus-in-jewish-law/ https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-fetus-in-jewish...
    - Georgelemental 3y ago
      > trained-in prejudices I was raised agnostic (and still am), and for most of my life I vaguely believed that abortion should be legal up to ~12-16 weeks—this was typical view in Europe, and I had never thought to question it. Until I came across the following (WARNING GRAPHIC): https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-attempted-abortions/ https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-at.... My "trained-in prejudices" were overcome in an instant, and I acquired my present view of the issue.

nobody9999 3y ago

Do you have a functioning female reproductive system? If you do, your statements/beliefs may well apply to you. Beyond that, you have nothing useful or worthwhile to say to or about anyone else. I don't doubt that you believe the statements you made. As is appropriate. But that you think you (or anyone else, for that matter) have some sort of authority over the bodies of others (in that you can prescribe appropriate actions) is what's outrageous. Think terminating pregnancies is a bad thing? Then don't terminate your own pregnancies. Otherwise, mind your own business. And what goes on inside the bodies of others is most definitely not your business.

Georgelemental 3y ago
Authority over other people's bodies is the basis of all law. For example, if I use my body to shoot up a school, society has a right to stop me and hold me to account for the consequences of the actions I took with said body. More generally, my unlimited rights over my own body end when the actions I perform with that body affect other people. And an unborn child is "other people."
- nobody9999 3y ago
  >an unborn child is "other people." That's a matter of significant debate in the medical community. And in religious[0] communities as well. You appear to be mistaking your trained-in prejudices for the laws of nature. I assure you, they are not the latter, only the former. As I mentioned, you do not appear to be a "reasonable" person with whom I can disagree. And so I'll say it one, last time: mind your own fucking business. [0] https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-fetus-in-jewish-law/ https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-fetus-in-jewish...
  - Georgelemental 3y ago
    > trained-in prejudices I was raised agnostic (and still am), and for most of my life I vaguely believed that abortion should be legal up to ~12-16 weeks—this was typical view in Europe, and I had never thought to question it. Until I came across the following (WARNING GRAPHIC): https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-attempted-abortions/ https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-at.... My "trained-in prejudices" were overcome in an instant, and I acquired my present view of the issue.