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Ask the seller? Why would you care if you're buying used? You already have no idea how close it is to dying anyway. If you really, really care, you can take it

Ask the seller? Why would you care if you're buying used? You already have no idea how close it is to dying anyway. If you really, really care, you can take it to an Apple OEM repair shop for that info.

thegrimmest 3y ago
The phone still carries Apple's brand, and the secondary market significantly impacts brand perception. Toyota is a classic example. Apple should be able to exert whatever control over its products that it can to shape this perception. Apple made the phone and sold it to you. They should have a right to make whatever sort of phone they want, and you should have a right to choose whether or not to buy it.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  And modify it however you want. You just can't sell a modified item without disclosing.
  - thegrimmest 3y ago
    You can modify it however you want, but Apple should be under no obligation to facilitate that in their product strategy, design, or manufacturing process. It's entirely on you. If serviceability is important to you, why not buy a PinePhone?
    - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
      I own an android. This remains my general point: > Right to repair with generic instead of OEM broadens the market. It doesn't narrow it.
      - thegrimmest 3y ago
        It does narrow it, from a market of all kinds of devices to a market of only devices that are repairable in compliance with legislation.
        anonymouskimmer 3y ago
        Which is a larger market than the previous one.
        thegrimmest 3y ago
        How do you calculate that? Constraining variety automatically narrows the market.
hot_gril 3y ago
Seller will lie. There's a chance that an original-parts iPhone is close to dying somehow, but it's not very high. Btw, you're comparing to the used car market, and that's not a great one. It's hard or expensive to judge the actual condition of what you're buying. Most common metric is the odometer reading, and even that can be illegally tampered with.

thegrimmest 3y ago

The phone still carries Apple's brand, and the secondary market significantly impacts brand perception. Toyota is a classic example. Apple should be able to exert whatever control over its products that it can to shape this perception. Apple made the phone and sold it to you. They should have a right to make whatever sort of phone they want, and you should have a right to choose whether or not to buy it.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
And modify it however you want. You just can't sell a modified item without disclosing.
- thegrimmest 3y ago
  You can modify it however you want, but Apple should be under no obligation to facilitate that in their product strategy, design, or manufacturing process. It's entirely on you. If serviceability is important to you, why not buy a PinePhone?
  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    I own an android. This remains my general point: > Right to repair with generic instead of OEM broadens the market. It doesn't narrow it.
    - thegrimmest 3y ago
      It does narrow it, from a market of all kinds of devices to a market of only devices that are repairable in compliance with legislation.
      - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
        Which is a larger market than the previous one.
        thegrimmest 3y ago
        How do you calculate that? Constraining variety automatically narrows the market.

hot_gril 3y ago

Seller will lie. There's a chance that an original-parts iPhone is close to dying somehow, but it's not very high. Btw, you're comparing to the used car market, and that's not a great one. It's hard or expensive to judge the actual condition of what you're buying. Most common metric is the odometer reading, and even that can be illegally tampered with.