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Not a surprise to anyone on this site or who has a regular access to a pediatrician, but lots of juice manufacturers play up the “100% all natural non-gmo organ

by chomp 3y ago

Not a surprise to anyone on this site or who has a regular access to a pediatrician, but lots of juice manufacturers play up the “100% all natural non-gmo organic pure apples” thing and updress their product to distance themselves from artificial juice, when they’re really a lot closely related in reality. This definitely fools a lot of parents.

tlivolsi 3y ago
One doesn't need to consult a pediatrician to look at the nutrition table. Even wealthy, intelligent people I know consume highly-processed garbage on a regular basis without thinking twice about what they put in their bodies.
- bradly 3y ago
  This is specifically about juice that is 100% juice. Reading the ingredients label isn't going to help which is kinda the point of the study. Edit: It looks like you changed your comment to reference nutritional table instead of ingredients list. See other comment on why that still is problematic.
  - kayodelycaon 3y ago
    I think they meant the nutrition table that’s usually above the ingredients.
    - tlivolsi 3y ago
      That is what I meant. Thanks. I updated my comment.
    - bradly 3y ago
      The nutritional label doesn't provide clarity either. It doesn't differentiate between types of sugars, and although there is the newly required "Added Sugars" category, it doesn't include sugars from concentrated fruit juices, which can be misleading since these are technically added sugars too.
- jokethrowaway 3y ago
  Wealthy and intelligent people make plenty of suboptimal choices. Ironically the fittest people I know with the best diet (they eat like their grandmas used to) are quite rural and don't know anything about nutrition. If they did they would probably fare worse. I obsessed over diet, spent countless hours studying thr subject and reviewing the latest in nutrition science. I wonder how much of that was funded by Nestle. I tried a processed vegetarian diet for a decade before having health issues and ending up eating only meat. After 1 year of that I was able to reintroduce small amounts of carbs / veggies without having adverse reactions, but at this point I don't even care about doing it.
kmarc 3y ago
If, in 2024, this fools a parent, then I'd rather be concerned about other aspects of their parenting, too... During my long travels, where I meet (mostly wealthy-enough-to-travel) people I see this often: kids are sugar shocked in the early morning (fruit juice, jelly, breakfast-is-the-most-important-nonsense-cereals, snacks at 10AM, etc) and then by noon their parents are exhausted due to trying to handle the kids' hyperactivity. All I can think is that at least these kids' response is to burn those calories, and avoid being obese later (hopefully). And not only kids. I don't know what exactly is going on in the US/Canada, but my observation is that they MUST chew every one or two hours; force feeding (comforting?) themselves. This behavior, the obsessive snacking, I never see from European / Asian travelers.
- jokethrowaway 3y ago
  You can see it in Europe too, albeit less so. We're catching up in terms of obesity too. Kids do eat a lot because they're growing but if you start feeding them meat (fat particularly) they will feel full earlier and stop munching sugar (fruit included) every 30m. I eat once a day on a carnivore diet and I don't experience hunger. The grain industry really brainwashed everyone.
  - pfannkuchen 3y ago
    > The grain industry really brainwashed everyone Pretty sure pre industrial agricultural groups had a higher average grain to meat ratio than today though? I think grain just scales better than animals.
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
      The real issue isn't grains imo, it's grains that had all the fibre removed. White bread is terrible for you. Brown bread is good for you, good for cholesterol(due to soluble fiber), has a low glycemic index(due to insoluble fiber), and has much more protein, vitamins and minerals than white bread. I honestly believe white flour is much more responsible for lifestyle related health issues in the US than anything else. Turns out, stripping the nutrients out of your food is bad.

by chomp 3y ago

tlivolsi 3y ago

One doesn't need to consult a pediatrician to look at the nutrition table. Even wealthy, intelligent people I know consume highly-processed garbage on a regular basis without thinking twice about what they put in their bodies.

bradly 3y ago
This is specifically about juice that is 100% juice. Reading the ingredients label isn't going to help which is kinda the point of the study. Edit: It looks like you changed your comment to reference nutritional table instead of ingredients list. See other comment on why that still is problematic.
- kayodelycaon 3y ago
  I think they meant the nutrition table that’s usually above the ingredients.
  - tlivolsi 3y ago
    That is what I meant. Thanks. I updated my comment.
  - bradly 3y ago
    The nutritional label doesn't provide clarity either. It doesn't differentiate between types of sugars, and although there is the newly required "Added Sugars" category, it doesn't include sugars from concentrated fruit juices, which can be misleading since these are technically added sugars too.
jokethrowaway 3y ago
Wealthy and intelligent people make plenty of suboptimal choices. Ironically the fittest people I know with the best diet (they eat like their grandmas used to) are quite rural and don't know anything about nutrition. If they did they would probably fare worse. I obsessed over diet, spent countless hours studying thr subject and reviewing the latest in nutrition science. I wonder how much of that was funded by Nestle. I tried a processed vegetarian diet for a decade before having health issues and ending up eating only meat. After 1 year of that I was able to reintroduce small amounts of carbs / veggies without having adverse reactions, but at this point I don't even care about doing it.

kmarc 3y ago

If, in 2024, this fools a parent, then I'd rather be concerned about other aspects of their parenting, too... During my long travels, where I meet (mostly wealthy-enough-to-travel) people I see this often: kids are sugar shocked in the early morning (fruit juice, jelly, breakfast-is-the-most-important-nonsense-cereals, snacks at 10AM, etc) and then by noon their parents are exhausted due to trying to handle the kids' hyperactivity. All I can think is that at least these kids' response is to burn those calories, and avoid being obese later (hopefully). And not only kids. I don't know what exactly is going on in the US/Canada, but my observation is that they MUST chew every one or two hours; force feeding (comforting?) themselves. This behavior, the obsessive snacking, I never see from European / Asian travelers.

jokethrowaway 3y ago
You can see it in Europe too, albeit less so. We're catching up in terms of obesity too. Kids do eat a lot because they're growing but if you start feeding them meat (fat particularly) they will feel full earlier and stop munching sugar (fruit included) every 30m. I eat once a day on a carnivore diet and I don't experience hunger. The grain industry really brainwashed everyone.
- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  > The grain industry really brainwashed everyone Pretty sure pre industrial agricultural groups had a higher average grain to meat ratio than today though? I think grain just scales better than animals.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
    The real issue isn't grains imo, it's grains that had all the fibre removed. White bread is terrible for you. Brown bread is good for you, good for cholesterol(due to soluble fiber), has a low glycemic index(due to insoluble fiber), and has much more protein, vitamins and minerals than white bread. I honestly believe white flour is much more responsible for lifestyle related health issues in the US than anything else. Turns out, stripping the nutrients out of your food is bad.