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Where are you getting any of this? This is the alt-rights idea of the left, I see essentially none of this in my hard left circles and when some idiot shows up

by 303uru 3y ago

Where are you getting any of this? This is the alt-rights idea of the left, I see essentially none of this in my hard left circles and when some idiot shows up spewing any of it they're ostracized quickly. Meanwhile, I keep close tabs on the mutterings of the right and this is word for word the things we're supposedly saying.

archagon 3y ago
Yep, OP should point to a single prominent Democrat who says things like this. In the meantime, the right is electing a repugnant criminal who wants to pardon himself, become dictator, and enact retribution on his enemies.
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  Most recent one I could find: School board member claims on twitter whites are more dangerous than animals and is hailed by some as "an agent of change". https://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/2023/01/whiteness-remarks-by-jackson-school-board-member-defended-criticized-during-tense-meeting.html https://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/2023/01/whiteness-remarks... I've been a part of leftist circles since 2012, I envy that you can go by without seeing this stuff. Again, on mainstream social media.
  - archagon 3y ago
    Some random school board member says some dumb stuff: who really cares? There’s always been oddballs on the local level, but all my congressional “leftist” representatives seem like reasonable people. Meanwhile, we’re nearly 50-50 on the next president actually upending democracy in the US. If you prioritize anti-wokeness above that, you will soon wake up in a country you no longer recognize. FWIW, I don’t like the rhetoric you cite, but I find that it ultimately has little impact on politics. And what the hell even is this “virulent antisemitism”? Is this your way of framing Israel/Palestine? That is just insane. I guess Bernie is a virulent antisemite in your eyes as well?
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
      I care because it's been increasingly impossible to say these "oddballs" are being extremely shitty people and should stop. The message they get and the message they have been getting is they are "agents of change". There has been a few terrorist events with this kind of radicalism (Audrey Hale being the worst case) but the left is still allergic to criticizing this. Just how bad do things need to get? I agree the republican party is worse than democrats. I'm not American, I don't live in a first world country but I would vote for them. I think electing Trump was horrible. I don't think Bernie is an antisemite, I think the people on the left who hate Bernie for having empathy for kidnapped, tortured Israelis are, of which there are many. Gamergate and the alt right were fringe until Trump. The media and culture moved at a glacial pace before it started seeing them as a problem. Will we see the same thing happen on the left? A president that supports terrorism and violence against the "opressor" race and talks of guillotines? I think that's an improbable nightmare scenario but so was Trump at gamergate times. Again you went from "this never happens" to "of course it sometimes happens, but it doesn't matter". All Ivy League representatives in congress calling defending the eradication of Jews not hate speech? No instance of antisemitism on the left at all? This is why I'm suspicious of oddballs not mattering. They don't matter until they do and when they do they're correct and me and others are being insane. This boundary pushing of violence and bigotry is exactly how we got Trump and I really wish there was only one group of stupid violent demogogues running around to deal with, not two.

by 303uru 3y ago

archagon 3y ago

Yep, OP should point to a single prominent Democrat who says things like this. In the meantime, the right is electing a repugnant criminal who wants to pardon himself, become dictator, and enact retribution on his enemies.

hotdogscout 3y ago
Most recent one I could find: School board member claims on twitter whites are more dangerous than animals and is hailed by some as "an agent of change". https://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/2023/01/whiteness-remarks-by-jackson-school-board-member-defended-criticized-during-tense-meeting.html https://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/2023/01/whiteness-remarks... I've been a part of leftist circles since 2012, I envy that you can go by without seeing this stuff. Again, on mainstream social media.
- archagon 3y ago
  Some random school board member says some dumb stuff: who really cares? There’s always been oddballs on the local level, but all my congressional “leftist” representatives seem like reasonable people. Meanwhile, we’re nearly 50-50 on the next president actually upending democracy in the US. If you prioritize anti-wokeness above that, you will soon wake up in a country you no longer recognize. FWIW, I don’t like the rhetoric you cite, but I find that it ultimately has little impact on politics. And what the hell even is this “virulent antisemitism”? Is this your way of framing Israel/Palestine? That is just insane. I guess Bernie is a virulent antisemite in your eyes as well?
  - hotdogscout 3y ago
    I care because it's been increasingly impossible to say these "oddballs" are being extremely shitty people and should stop. The message they get and the message they have been getting is they are "agents of change". There has been a few terrorist events with this kind of radicalism (Audrey Hale being the worst case) but the left is still allergic to criticizing this. Just how bad do things need to get? I agree the republican party is worse than democrats. I'm not American, I don't live in a first world country but I would vote for them. I think electing Trump was horrible. I don't think Bernie is an antisemite, I think the people on the left who hate Bernie for having empathy for kidnapped, tortured Israelis are, of which there are many. Gamergate and the alt right were fringe until Trump. The media and culture moved at a glacial pace before it started seeing them as a problem. Will we see the same thing happen on the left? A president that supports terrorism and violence against the "opressor" race and talks of guillotines? I think that's an improbable nightmare scenario but so was Trump at gamergate times. Again you went from "this never happens" to "of course it sometimes happens, but it doesn't matter". All Ivy League representatives in congress calling defending the eradication of Jews not hate speech? No instance of antisemitism on the left at all? This is why I'm suspicious of oddballs not mattering. They don't matter until they do and when they do they're correct and me and others are being insane. This boundary pushing of violence and bigotry is exactly how we got Trump and I really wish there was only one group of stupid violent demogogues running around to deal with, not two.