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If you're going for months at a time and you're used to a couple of large monitors/ultrawide, a USB-C display is a grim downgrade and sidecar is really unreliab

If you're going for months at a time and you're used to a couple of large monitors/ultrawide, a USB-C display is a grim downgrade and sidecar is really unreliable. Currently the Vision Pro doesn't beat my current solution cost-wise (just buy some monitors there and flip them for cheap before I leave) until like, 15 trips and the quality of it as a solution for doing what I want seems roughly similar so I'm avoiding it for now. If it was $1200 or so it would be a no-brainer for me.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>If you're going for months at a time But could you use the AVP for months at a time for work? That's the main question everyone's avoiding to answer. So far, everyone just plays with it for a couple of hours to post on social media "wow that's so cool, it's the future", but so far I haven't seen anyone saying they actually use it for work 8h/day 5 days/week long therm. All those who have AVPs still default to using their computers with monitors for their daily work. So then how can you say AVP is gonna replace your setup for months on end?
- cmcaleer 3y ago
  Oh it was kind of a non-issue in my head since I've used VR headsets (mainly Quest and Index) for extended iRacing sessions like taking part in 24 hour events where stints go on for hours at a time. AVP seems more comfortable than those and I imagine the view of the outside world helps it not feel so boxed in. I would be surprised if I couldn't. Doubt it's for everyone though.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    But playing video games is not the same as working. I can play video games for hours without breaks, sometimes even a whole day, but I can't do the same for solving complex work task, like coding and debugging, or shitting through documents and spreadsheets, plus the constant interruptions and context switching of a work day which you don't have in racing videogames. So I'll repeat my question. Will you and most AVP customer be able to actually put in as many hours of daily/weekly/monthly work in their AVPs as they usually do on their computer setup, or is that just a fantasy people tell themselves to justify the thing? Because so far, no AVP users have come forward with such claims.
    - Nevermark 3y ago
      I described my experiences in a sibling comment. But regarding the discomfort of long hours, I have been using it comfortably for 7-12 hours a day for six days now. I had to go to the double strap to distribute the weight evenly. You also rethink where you want to be. My desk is still great, but a tilted back chair with a keyboard/pad on my lap is better for longer hours. That is where I am now!
- cruano 3y ago
  Do you work non-stop for 8h/day? no video calls ? no lunch? You'd probably only use it for focused work, i.e. when you actually need more than one screen.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Do you work non-stop for 8h/day? no video calls ? no lunch? You didn't have to take that literally. Obviously I didn't eman wearing it 8h per day with no breaks. So I'll repeat my question to make it clearer. Will most AVP customer be able to actually put in as many hours of daily/weekly/monthly work in their AVPs as they usually do on their computer setup, or is that just a fantasy people tell themselves?
    - cruano 3y ago
      It's a bit ironic how you answer your own "question", but yeah. It's not glued to your face, you can choose to wear it only when you feel like you need it. If you only use it for 1 hour a day that's good for you. I'm sure there's lots of gadgets that get way less use than that. Now, you should probably ask yourself why you care so much about what other people do with their money. I won't get one, but I see why people would. If you are also not considering buying it, why do you even care ?
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >If you only use it for 1 hour a day that's good for you. I'm sure there's lots of gadgets that get way less use than that. Now, you should probably ask yourself why you care so much about what other people do with their money. Mate, you're like a LLM that looses the topic and starts to hallucinate after the discussion thread gets too deep/long. If you read the discussion from my root comment, you'll see that I don't care what people do with their money or how long they use it per day, I'm only countering the original root argument above someone made about "people using the AVP to replace their main work setup", to which I asked which AVP user did that in practice and the answer is nobody apparently, people are just fantasizing hypothetical but unlikely scenarios. Using 1h per day in the AVP is a long way from the "the AVP replaced my PC setup" statement, as the workday is typically longer than 1h for most people. You can use it zero hours per day for all I care, I don't care what you do with the stuff you buy, just don't claim it's gonna replace your PC work setup when you/customers are barely using it(for work).
- Nevermark 3y ago
  It’s been six days now of solid work on it. Seems to be sticking. The improved ergonomics include greater physical flexibility and comfort, as well as the visual benefits. Physically, I am now moving as I feel inspired, between my desk, a couch, bed, and an egg shaped chair with a foot rest. I only need a keyboard/trackpad on my lap, and my MacBook nearby. The visual benefits turning your whole mental visual space (your fovea, peripheral vision, and head turning field of view) into a visual desk of any number of items is fantastic. Being able to make my main screen as large as a wall is nice. Seems like for some work, a smaller screen feels better, for other work a very large or wide screen helps. Downsides: 1. Needing the Mac at all. Would love it if Apple shipped Xcode and Terminal for the Vision. For now I move around and would travel with both. 2. That first one would solve this. But for now only one Mac screen 3. The Vision screens respond to both keyboard/track pad and look/pinch, the Mac screen only responds to the former. You get used to doing both.
wilsonnb3 3y ago
> sidecar is really unreliable. Is this wireless or via USB cable? Also, isn't sidecar the exact same tech that they are using to show your mac monitor on the vision pro anyways?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>If you're going for months at a time But could you use the AVP for months at a time for work? That's the main question everyone's avoiding to answer. So far, everyone just plays with it for a couple of hours to post on social media "wow that's so cool, it's the future", but so far I haven't seen anyone saying they actually use it for work 8h/day 5 days/week long therm. All those who have AVPs still default to using their computers with monitors for their daily work. So then how can you say AVP is gonna replace your setup for months on end?

cmcaleer 3y ago
Oh it was kind of a non-issue in my head since I've used VR headsets (mainly Quest and Index) for extended iRacing sessions like taking part in 24 hour events where stints go on for hours at a time. AVP seems more comfortable than those and I imagine the view of the outside world helps it not feel so boxed in. I would be surprised if I couldn't. Doubt it's for everyone though.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  But playing video games is not the same as working. I can play video games for hours without breaks, sometimes even a whole day, but I can't do the same for solving complex work task, like coding and debugging, or shitting through documents and spreadsheets, plus the constant interruptions and context switching of a work day which you don't have in racing videogames. So I'll repeat my question. Will you and most AVP customer be able to actually put in as many hours of daily/weekly/monthly work in their AVPs as they usually do on their computer setup, or is that just a fantasy people tell themselves to justify the thing? Because so far, no AVP users have come forward with such claims.
  - Nevermark 3y ago
    I described my experiences in a sibling comment. But regarding the discomfort of long hours, I have been using it comfortably for 7-12 hours a day for six days now. I had to go to the double strap to distribute the weight evenly. You also rethink where you want to be. My desk is still great, but a tilted back chair with a keyboard/pad on my lap is better for longer hours. That is where I am now!
cruano 3y ago
Do you work non-stop for 8h/day? no video calls ? no lunch? You'd probably only use it for focused work, i.e. when you actually need more than one screen.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Do you work non-stop for 8h/day? no video calls ? no lunch? You didn't have to take that literally. Obviously I didn't eman wearing it 8h per day with no breaks. So I'll repeat my question to make it clearer. Will most AVP customer be able to actually put in as many hours of daily/weekly/monthly work in their AVPs as they usually do on their computer setup, or is that just a fantasy people tell themselves?
  - cruano 3y ago
    It's a bit ironic how you answer your own "question", but yeah. It's not glued to your face, you can choose to wear it only when you feel like you need it. If you only use it for 1 hour a day that's good for you. I'm sure there's lots of gadgets that get way less use than that. Now, you should probably ask yourself why you care so much about what other people do with their money. I won't get one, but I see why people would. If you are also not considering buying it, why do you even care ?
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >If you only use it for 1 hour a day that's good for you. I'm sure there's lots of gadgets that get way less use than that. Now, you should probably ask yourself why you care so much about what other people do with their money. Mate, you're like a LLM that looses the topic and starts to hallucinate after the discussion thread gets too deep/long. If you read the discussion from my root comment, you'll see that I don't care what people do with their money or how long they use it per day, I'm only countering the original root argument above someone made about "people using the AVP to replace their main work setup", to which I asked which AVP user did that in practice and the answer is nobody apparently, people are just fantasizing hypothetical but unlikely scenarios. Using 1h per day in the AVP is a long way from the "the AVP replaced my PC setup" statement, as the workday is typically longer than 1h for most people. You can use it zero hours per day for all I care, I don't care what you do with the stuff you buy, just don't claim it's gonna replace your PC work setup when you/customers are barely using it(for work).
Nevermark 3y ago
It’s been six days now of solid work on it. Seems to be sticking. The improved ergonomics include greater physical flexibility and comfort, as well as the visual benefits. Physically, I am now moving as I feel inspired, between my desk, a couch, bed, and an egg shaped chair with a foot rest. I only need a keyboard/trackpad on my lap, and my MacBook nearby. The visual benefits turning your whole mental visual space (your fovea, peripheral vision, and head turning field of view) into a visual desk of any number of items is fantastic. Being able to make my main screen as large as a wall is nice. Seems like for some work, a smaller screen feels better, for other work a very large or wide screen helps. Downsides: 1. Needing the Mac at all. Would love it if Apple shipped Xcode and Terminal for the Vision. For now I move around and would travel with both. 2. That first one would solve this. But for now only one Mac screen 3. The Vision screens respond to both keyboard/track pad and look/pinch, the Mac screen only responds to the former. You get used to doing both.

wilsonnb3 3y ago

> sidecar is really unreliable. Is this wireless or via USB cable? Also, isn't sidecar the exact same tech that they are using to show your mac monitor on the vision pro anyways?