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Maybe I'm missing context that is hidden in the rest of the article behind the paywall, but this seems like a weird angle to me considering (especially working-

by joks 3y ago

Maybe I'm missing context that is hidden in the rest of the article behind the paywall, but this seems like a weird angle to me considering (especially working-class) queer people are massively disproportionately polyamorous compared to everyone else...?

popcalc 3y ago
Do you have a source for that?
- joks 3y ago
  https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/polyamory-bisexual-study-pansexual-754696/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/polyam... "In her paper, published in the Journal of Sex Research this past June, Balzarini compared the demographic backgrounds of 2,428 polyamorous individuals and 539 monogamous ones by asking participants to take an online survey. Her team found that polyamorous people tend to identify more as bisexual/pansexual, are more likely to report being divorced, and make less money yearly than monogamous couples." "When it came to monogamous relationships, 74 percent of straight respondents reported being monogamous compared to only 17 percent of bi/pan respondents. (The remaining percentage identified as gay/lesbian or other.)" Also, this is entirely anecdotal, but in the various circles I'm a part of, every single polyamorous person I know is queer to some degree. Granted, a lot of that is because the people in my circles are disproportionately queer, but not nearly so much that it would be the sole reason for that.
  - pengaru 3y ago
    Except what's the Venn diagram of affluent people and those who participate in such online surveys look like? If it's two entirely discrete circles then this paper is irrelevant to TFA.
    - sillysaurusx 3y ago
      Here’s some stats relevant to the article: https://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/s/LAArXpkU0A https://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/s/LAArXpkU0A (not related to queer people in particular, just polyamory in general.) Although the statistical methods are dubious, it does show that polyamory is on an upswing. Thankfully. Choosing a single partner for life is one of the most ingrained pieces of rhetoric in the modern era, and most people don’t even know you can choose anything else. Still a bit sad that this topic is too divisive for HN. Last time I tried bringing it up, a half dozen people chimed in saying it can’t work, that it’s a bad idea, and so on. But maybe in a few more years it’ll get a nice discussion.
      - faeriechangling 3y ago
        It obviously can work, forms of non-monogamy have been long term stable in many societies, there are negative consequences though. Notably, it invariably results in more single men, more crime/societal instability, generally makes gender inequality more extreme, and results in less people doing parental duties. From a "natural selection" point of view though it's probably a superior modality to monogamy, and monogamy is only really enforced through oppression in practice. For what it's worth, polyamory might correlate to higher status within a society, across societies higher levels of polyamory correlate to lower status of that society.
        sillysaurusx 3y ago
        I think a lot of these statements come from reasoning from first principles. It’s not so clear cut. For example, I’m a parent who does a lot of parental duties. It doesn’t result in more crime or societal instability for people to have multiple partners.
        faeriechangling 3y ago
        >It doesn’t result in more crime or societal instability for people to have multiple partners. Sure it does. It tends to result in more single men and it's the single men who end up causing all the disorder.

by joks 3y ago

popcalc 3y ago

Do you have a source for that?

joks 3y ago
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/polyamory-bisexual-study-pansexual-754696/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/polyam... "In her paper, published in the Journal of Sex Research this past June, Balzarini compared the demographic backgrounds of 2,428 polyamorous individuals and 539 monogamous ones by asking participants to take an online survey. Her team found that polyamorous people tend to identify more as bisexual/pansexual, are more likely to report being divorced, and make less money yearly than monogamous couples." "When it came to monogamous relationships, 74 percent of straight respondents reported being monogamous compared to only 17 percent of bi/pan respondents. (The remaining percentage identified as gay/lesbian or other.)" Also, this is entirely anecdotal, but in the various circles I'm a part of, every single polyamorous person I know is queer to some degree. Granted, a lot of that is because the people in my circles are disproportionately queer, but not nearly so much that it would be the sole reason for that.
- pengaru 3y ago
  Except what's the Venn diagram of affluent people and those who participate in such online surveys look like? If it's two entirely discrete circles then this paper is irrelevant to TFA.
  - sillysaurusx 3y ago
    Here’s some stats relevant to the article: https://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/s/LAArXpkU0A https://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/s/LAArXpkU0A (not related to queer people in particular, just polyamory in general.) Although the statistical methods are dubious, it does show that polyamory is on an upswing. Thankfully. Choosing a single partner for life is one of the most ingrained pieces of rhetoric in the modern era, and most people don’t even know you can choose anything else. Still a bit sad that this topic is too divisive for HN. Last time I tried bringing it up, a half dozen people chimed in saying it can’t work, that it’s a bad idea, and so on. But maybe in a few more years it’ll get a nice discussion.
    - faeriechangling 3y ago
      It obviously can work, forms of non-monogamy have been long term stable in many societies, there are negative consequences though. Notably, it invariably results in more single men, more crime/societal instability, generally makes gender inequality more extreme, and results in less people doing parental duties. From a "natural selection" point of view though it's probably a superior modality to monogamy, and monogamy is only really enforced through oppression in practice. For what it's worth, polyamory might correlate to higher status within a society, across societies higher levels of polyamory correlate to lower status of that society.
      - sillysaurusx 3y ago
        I think a lot of these statements come from reasoning from first principles. It’s not so clear cut. For example, I’m a parent who does a lot of parental duties. It doesn’t result in more crime or societal instability for people to have multiple partners.
        faeriechangling 3y ago
        >It doesn’t result in more crime or societal instability for people to have multiple partners. Sure it does. It tends to result in more single men and it's the single men who end up causing all the disorder.