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How? It's $0.52/kwh here, and before that rate increase, we were paying (edit) $278/mo in the summer for similar (70 year old 3 bedroom house), and slightly low

by bagels 3y ago

How? It's $0.52/kwh here, and before that rate increase, we were paying (edit) $278/mo in the summer for similar (70 year old 3 bedroom house), and slightly lower temepratures.

lex-lightning 3y ago
Time-of-day program with SMUD. Ran the AC as cool as it could go before peak, turned it off during peak. At move-in we dumped multiple feet of insulation (more than code requires) into the place. At worst it got to 80 degrees. Might have been a bit over $100, but I’m just as flabbergasted at your $278.
- lex-lightning 3y ago
  Lol. Dogpile away. Imma count my money I saved and sit here in my early retirement.
- what_ever 3y ago
  I think you are out of touch. You need to compare the PGE rates with SMUD to get the picture. https://www.smud.org/en/Rate-Information/Residential-rates https://www.smud.org/en/Rate-Information/Residential-rates https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf.coredownload.pdf https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/resid... (PDF File) PGE's off-peak rates are 3x SMUD's off-peak rates. PGE's peak rates are 1.5x to almost 2x of SMUD's peak rates.
  - lex-lightning 3y ago
    There’s no need to be disrespectful. Just as I need to understand that you have a different rate than I did, vice versa. You’re missing the actual point of my original post
    - what_ever 3y ago
      > Alright, maybe I’m out of touch, but I don’t think electricity is expensive in California. This was your first comment in the thread. If you don't want the point of your original post to be missed, don't make it cryptic and have surprised pikachu face when multiple people miss your point. We are not attending a stand up comedy here to understand your tone in this text format.
tomschlick 3y ago
For context of how crazy that is... here in OH we pay ~$0.12/kwh
- secabeen 3y ago
  Another factor is topography. Ohio is pretty flat and running power lines around it is not that hard. California is big and has lots of rugged terrain. It costs a lot more to bring power to the small town in the California mountains, and those costs have to be paid by the urban and sub-urban customers of our large state-wide utilities.
  - lazide 3y ago
    In reality - PG&E has been soaking the ratepayer for decades while doing terrible maintenance - and now gets to soak the ratepayer again while fixing all the terrible issues they themselves created in the least efficient method possible. It’s truly amazing to behold.
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    Keep in mind PG&E rates had to cover billions in stock buybacks, billions in dividends annually, hundreds of millions in fighting municipal power, and billions in profit annually. The terrain isn't the problem, greed is.
  - tomschlick 3y ago
    I used to live in PA and have several family members on both sides there. No matter the topography the rates are still around that.
- naijaboiler 3y ago
  My mom in Indiana pays $0.11/kwh. I pay $0.35/kwh here outside of Boston. The electricity generation part of my bill alone $0.19/kwh dwarfs her entire bill

by bagels 3y ago

How? It's $0.52/kwh here, and before that rate increase, we were paying (edit) $278/mo in the summer for similar (70 year old 3 bedroom house), and slightly lower temepratures.

lex-lightning 3y ago

Time-of-day program with SMUD. Ran the AC as cool as it could go before peak, turned it off during peak. At move-in we dumped multiple feet of insulation (more than code requires) into the place. At worst it got to 80 degrees. Might have been a bit over $100, but I’m just as flabbergasted at your $278.

lex-lightning 3y ago
Lol. Dogpile away. Imma count my money I saved and sit here in my early retirement.
what_ever 3y ago
I think you are out of touch. You need to compare the PGE rates with SMUD to get the picture. https://www.smud.org/en/Rate-Information/Residential-rates https://www.smud.org/en/Rate-Information/Residential-rates https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf.coredownload.pdf https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/resid... (PDF File) PGE's off-peak rates are 3x SMUD's off-peak rates. PGE's peak rates are 1.5x to almost 2x of SMUD's peak rates.
- lex-lightning 3y ago
  There’s no need to be disrespectful. Just as I need to understand that you have a different rate than I did, vice versa. You’re missing the actual point of my original post
  - what_ever 3y ago
    > Alright, maybe I’m out of touch, but I don’t think electricity is expensive in California. This was your first comment in the thread. If you don't want the point of your original post to be missed, don't make it cryptic and have surprised pikachu face when multiple people miss your point. We are not attending a stand up comedy here to understand your tone in this text format.

tomschlick 3y ago

For context of how crazy that is... here in OH we pay ~$0.12/kwh

secabeen 3y ago
Another factor is topography. Ohio is pretty flat and running power lines around it is not that hard. California is big and has lots of rugged terrain. It costs a lot more to bring power to the small town in the California mountains, and those costs have to be paid by the urban and sub-urban customers of our large state-wide utilities.
- lazide 3y ago
  In reality - PG&E has been soaking the ratepayer for decades while doing terrible maintenance - and now gets to soak the ratepayer again while fixing all the terrible issues they themselves created in the least efficient method possible. It’s truly amazing to behold.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  Keep in mind PG&E rates had to cover billions in stock buybacks, billions in dividends annually, hundreds of millions in fighting municipal power, and billions in profit annually. The terrain isn't the problem, greed is.
- tomschlick 3y ago
  I used to live in PA and have several family members on both sides there. No matter the topography the rates are still around that.
naijaboiler 3y ago
My mom in Indiana pays $0.11/kwh. I pay $0.35/kwh here outside of Boston. The electricity generation part of my bill alone $0.19/kwh dwarfs her entire bill