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I live in the Bay Area California and get electricity from PG&E. I use a minimal amount of electricity and I paid 43 cents/kWh last month. Gas from Costco is $4

I live in the Bay Area California and get electricity from PG&E. I use a minimal amount of electricity and I paid 43 cents/kWh last month. Gas from Costco is $4/gal right now. I have a plugin-hybrid which does 4miles/kwh and 45mpg or in terms of money: 9.3miles/$ on electricity and 11.25gas-miles/$ on gasoline. But maybe you don't actually care about fuel efficiency, then you have an argument that it's cheaper to fuel a Tesla Model 3 instead of a BMW M3.

burkaman 3y ago
Thanks that's helpful, and just found an overview of current rates that matches what you're saying: https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/... I think it is still true in California that an average EV is cheaper to fuel than an average gas car, but if you have a very efficient hybrid then it's a bit cheaper than a pure EV.
gcheong 3y ago
"I paid 43 cents/kWh last month" I live in the Bay Area as well and I have an EV (2015 Fiat 500e), and am on the PG& Home Charging EV2-A plan. I charge my car between 12am and 3pm and pay $0.28/kwh, 29kwh/100 miles and I should be getting about 12.3miles/$.
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  I think it's always instructive to break out all the costs of owning a car on a per mile basis. I but about $700/year in gasoline. And pay about $600/year insurance. And drive about 6500 miles a year. So insurance and gas are both about 10 cents a mile. I think depreciation and maintenance are higher at about 15 cents/mile. So 50 cents a mile. IRS says a business can write off 67 cents a mile.
stephen_g 3y ago
That’s astonishingly cheap for petrol, wow. We’re paying at least four times in my country minimum…
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  Yes USA loves petroleum, that's for sure.
- kalleboo 3y ago
  Wow, where is it 4x the price? Even in places like Norway, it's only double https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/
lelandbatey 3y ago
> I paid 43 cents/kWh last month Whoooooa ok that makes more sense why folks are complaining; I paid 13 cents/kWh last month, less than 1/3 of what you're talking about. Note for others, paying $0.45/kWh is highly unusual for the US as a whole; see the US Gov published stats on average electricity prices by region which puts the average at ~$0.17/kWh: https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices_selectedareas_table.htm https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices...
- zbrozek 3y ago
  Yeah we're getting shafted. Starts at $0.487 and goes up to $0.618 per KWh. https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-TOU-C.pdf https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHED...
- naijaboiler 3y ago
  I’m posting 0.35/kwh in New England

burkaman 3y ago

Thanks that's helpful, and just found an overview of current rates that matches what you're saying: https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf https://www.pge.com/content/dam/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/... I think it is still true in California that an average EV is cheaper to fuel than an average gas car, but if you have a very efficient hybrid then it's a bit cheaper than a pure EV.

gcheong 3y ago

"I paid 43 cents/kWh last month" I live in the Bay Area as well and I have an EV (2015 Fiat 500e), and am on the PG& Home Charging EV2-A plan. I charge my car between 12am and 3pm and pay $0.28/kwh, 29kwh/100 miles and I should be getting about 12.3miles/$.

Gibbon1 3y ago
I think it's always instructive to break out all the costs of owning a car on a per mile basis. I but about $700/year in gasoline. And pay about $600/year insurance. And drive about 6500 miles a year. So insurance and gas are both about 10 cents a mile. I think depreciation and maintenance are higher at about 15 cents/mile. So 50 cents a mile. IRS says a business can write off 67 cents a mile.

stephen_g 3y ago

That’s astonishingly cheap for petrol, wow. We’re paying at least four times in my country minimum…

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
Yes USA loves petroleum, that's for sure.
kalleboo 3y ago
Wow, where is it 4x the price? Even in places like Norway, it's only double https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

lelandbatey 3y ago

> I paid 43 cents/kWh last month Whoooooa ok that makes more sense why folks are complaining; I paid 13 cents/kWh last month, less than 1/3 of what you're talking about. Note for others, paying $0.45/kWh is highly unusual for the US as a whole; see the US Gov published stats on average electricity prices by region which puts the average at ~$0.17/kWh: https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices_selectedareas_table.htm https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices...

zbrozek 3y ago
Yeah we're getting shafted. Starts at $0.487 and goes up to $0.618 per KWh. https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-TOU-C.pdf https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHED...
naijaboiler 3y ago
I’m posting 0.35/kwh in New England