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Reminds me of the hissy fit plumbers made over no-flush urinals.

by yterdy 3y ago

lazide 3y ago
Turns out they were right about that one though.
- g8oz 3y ago
  Are you sure? I still see them around in some local shopping malls.
  - lazide 3y ago
    If your criteria as to if something is actually long term useful/the best tradeoff is if you can find it at your local shopping mall, you might want to rethink that a bit.
- yterdy 3y ago
  I've never hard that they were. Only that they had the lobbying muscle to mostly get their way.
  - lazide 3y ago
    They have nearly impossible to solve maintenance issues unless you use special chemicals and maintenance procedures, and unless you wash/flush them (and the surroundings) regularly the urine smell is hard to deal with. Since most maintenance staff don’t do the special procedures properly (and barely manage to deal with normal toilets properly!) they were a big headache. [https://www.waterless.com/blog/the-pros-and-cons-of-selecting-waterless-urinals https://www.waterless.com/blog/the-pros-and-cons-of-selectin...]. Everywhere I know of that was using them eventually got rid of them because they weren’t worth it for the small water savings they actually got. Especially since water usage was never anything but a hot button PR topic - there are probably only a handful of places humans habitate that the difference is actually non-negligible when you factor in showers, landscaping, etc.
    - yterdy 3y ago
      I've never noticed those issues, and your link seems to say otherwise. But your post does read like the whinging of plumbers that I mentioned. You wouldn't happen to be, or be affiliated with, one, would you? https://www.12ft.io/https://www.wired.com/2010/06/ff-waterless-urinal/ https://www.12ft.io/https://www.wired.com/2010/06/ff-waterle...
      - lazide 3y ago
        That's because the link is to the advocacy organization for flushless toilets. They don't deny it, and even mention it as cons! hah. The links you're pointing to are to articles when the idea was 'hot'. And when all the press was going on around saving water in California (notably dead now, as is the norm). If you didn't notice the issues, then congrats! someone in the maintenance team was doing the work so you didn't have to see what was happening. I'm not a plumber, but I do own property and have installed (permitted/inspected) several toilets and had to do my own maintenance. Flushless was never worth the squeeze for me, but then I never had to deal with PR issues or fads. I was my own customer, and got to pick what worked for me and those around me.

Reminds me of the hissy fit plumbers made over no-flush urinals.

by yterdy 3y ago

Reminds me of the hissy fit plumbers made over no-flush urinals.

lazide 3y ago

Turns out they were right about that one though.

g8oz 3y ago
Are you sure? I still see them around in some local shopping malls.
- lazide 3y ago
  If your criteria as to if something is actually long term useful/the best tradeoff is if you can find it at your local shopping mall, you might want to rethink that a bit.
yterdy 3y ago
I've never hard that they were. Only that they had the lobbying muscle to mostly get their way.
- lazide 3y ago
  They have nearly impossible to solve maintenance issues unless you use special chemicals and maintenance procedures, and unless you wash/flush them (and the surroundings) regularly the urine smell is hard to deal with. Since most maintenance staff don’t do the special procedures properly (and barely manage to deal with normal toilets properly!) they were a big headache. [https://www.waterless.com/blog/the-pros-and-cons-of-selecting-waterless-urinals https://www.waterless.com/blog/the-pros-and-cons-of-selectin...]. Everywhere I know of that was using them eventually got rid of them because they weren’t worth it for the small water savings they actually got. Especially since water usage was never anything but a hot button PR topic - there are probably only a handful of places humans habitate that the difference is actually non-negligible when you factor in showers, landscaping, etc.
  - yterdy 3y ago
    I've never noticed those issues, and your link seems to say otherwise. But your post does read like the whinging of plumbers that I mentioned. You wouldn't happen to be, or be affiliated with, one, would you? https://www.12ft.io/https://www.wired.com/2010/06/ff-waterless-urinal/ https://www.12ft.io/https://www.wired.com/2010/06/ff-waterle...
    - lazide 3y ago
      That's because the link is to the advocacy organization for flushless toilets. They don't deny it, and even mention it as cons! hah. The links you're pointing to are to articles when the idea was 'hot'. And when all the press was going on around saving water in California (notably dead now, as is the norm). If you didn't notice the issues, then congrats! someone in the maintenance team was doing the work so you didn't have to see what was happening. I'm not a plumber, but I do own property and have installed (permitted/inspected) several toilets and had to do my own maintenance. Flushless was never worth the squeeze for me, but then I never had to deal with PR issues or fads. I was my own customer, and got to pick what worked for me and those around me.