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I keep seeing these articles pop up. The goal seems to be getting rid of regulations that hinder building European style apartments. I can't help but wonder i

by fusslo 3y ago

I keep seeing these articles pop up. The goal seems to be getting rid of regulations that hinder building European style apartments. I can't help but wonder if this is really a trend people are interested in, OR is there some effort to sway public opinion into deregulating housing. Why do the article ALWAYS mention Europe? Is it a marketing tactic designed to trigger our 'america-europe inferiority complex'? Is it an effort to change laws to allow for larger ROI for a single piece of land? Is it REALLY impossible to build apartments like we have in San Francisco these days? I am totally unconvinced removing these requirements would REALLY make life better for renters. As a renter who keeps getting shitter and shitter apartments, despite paying twice what I did in rent a decade ago.. I am afraid that this is just another effort to fuck us Anyway, this is 100% a conspiracy theory (that I have 0 evidence for).

bluGill 3y ago
I'm not clear on that either. We know that in the US newer apartments with all those rules do better in fires than older apartments. We also know that overall housing in Europe does better in fires than housing in the US. The people pushing for this want you to think that the US would do better in fires to adopt European regulations - but a close reading of the above two facts makes it obvious that we are not comparing like things. That said, the US does have high housing prices, and regulations are part of it. This article clearly points out a real downside to the US codes. Overall I get the feeling that supporters of this are hiding some facts from me that are important.
- fusslo 3y ago
  Yeah. I dont have facts, just feelings. When i read these articles, i get the same feeling I get talking to those people in yhe mall who stop you trying to sell you hand cleaner, ya know Yes, washing your hands is good Yes, some soaps are better than others But I wasnt looking to buy soap, and I really dont want to spend $20 on 8oz. I think I also have been struggling with how we in the US have lost a lot of community spaces in the last 50 or so years Arcades are gone, malls are dying, parks have few people in them, government buildings are fortresses, small town shops were killed by wallmart, restaurants are massive chains selling microwave meals, main streets are four lanes of traffic… I long for interesting neighborhoods with shops and restaurants I can walk to. But even after reading these articles I am still unconvinced deregulating apartments is the answer. Maybe I just fear deregulation since I keep hearing how the deregulation of the 80s and of the housing market was not a good thing
xboxnolifes 3y ago
> I can't help but wonder if this is really a trend people are interested in, OR is there some effort to sway public opinion into deregulating housing. Is there a difference? I mean, if public opinion is swayed, then does that not mean they are now interested in it?
- fusslo 3y ago
  Do you think it would make a difference if it was revealed that tobacco companies paid doctors to smoke and endorse smoking to make the public feel like smoking is safe? Yes. Found the shill! You working for Blackrock??
  - xboxnolifes 3y ago
    If it was found out that people are lying then yes, it's a problem. I was assuming the claim was less "these articles are lies" and more "these articles aren't grassroots".

by fusslo 3y ago

bluGill 3y ago

I'm not clear on that either. We know that in the US newer apartments with all those rules do better in fires than older apartments. We also know that overall housing in Europe does better in fires than housing in the US. The people pushing for this want you to think that the US would do better in fires to adopt European regulations - but a close reading of the above two facts makes it obvious that we are not comparing like things. That said, the US does have high housing prices, and regulations are part of it. This article clearly points out a real downside to the US codes. Overall I get the feeling that supporters of this are hiding some facts from me that are important.

fusslo 3y ago
Yeah. I dont have facts, just feelings. When i read these articles, i get the same feeling I get talking to those people in yhe mall who stop you trying to sell you hand cleaner, ya know Yes, washing your hands is good Yes, some soaps are better than others But I wasnt looking to buy soap, and I really dont want to spend $20 on 8oz. I think I also have been struggling with how we in the US have lost a lot of community spaces in the last 50 or so years Arcades are gone, malls are dying, parks have few people in them, government buildings are fortresses, small town shops were killed by wallmart, restaurants are massive chains selling microwave meals, main streets are four lanes of traffic… I long for interesting neighborhoods with shops and restaurants I can walk to. But even after reading these articles I am still unconvinced deregulating apartments is the answer. Maybe I just fear deregulation since I keep hearing how the deregulation of the 80s and of the housing market was not a good thing

xboxnolifes 3y ago

> I can't help but wonder if this is really a trend people are interested in, OR is there some effort to sway public opinion into deregulating housing. Is there a difference? I mean, if public opinion is swayed, then does that not mean they are now interested in it?

fusslo 3y ago
Do you think it would make a difference if it was revealed that tobacco companies paid doctors to smoke and endorse smoking to make the public feel like smoking is safe? Yes. Found the shill! You working for Blackrock??
- xboxnolifes 3y ago
  If it was found out that people are lying then yes, it's a problem. I was assuming the claim was less "these articles are lies" and more "these articles aren't grassroots".