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I agree that Apple only cares about money. So do they dislike this law because it means people can repair and hold onto Apple hardware longer, because it compro

I agree that Apple only cares about money. So do they dislike this law because it means people can repair and hold onto Apple hardware longer, because it compromises Apple's hardware security somehow, or because it adds some other cost to Apple? I don't imagine many are self-repairing, but there are independent repair shops too.

advael 3y ago
By preventing independent repair, Apple can indeed prevent you from holding on to your device longer by just deciding it's totaled with no one keeping them honest about it. It can also gouge you on parts and service even if it doesn't do that, as is true for any monopoly on any service. It also makes it harder for honest researchers to audit Apple's security claims, harder for independent hackers to modify devices they own, such as if they want to route around the incredibly high tax Apple imposes on developers for its hardware platforms, etc. The kind of control Apple wants to have comes with lots of profitable ways to exploit it.
dathinab 3y ago
they sell 1000+€ phones, tablets and computers many cases of very common damage to such devices is very much fixable, at least theoretically for a small fraction of the price they mainly care about you not repairing them any supposed "compromised security" could be handled with free user choice in form of a hardware lock-down mode (with appropriate warnings) but the huge majority of their users don't need nor care for that they provide no proper repair, only replacement of whole sometimes multiple components which given their design often means the whole motherboard, even if needed repairs can often be done with much much less cost their repair is also believed to systematically misclassify damage and needed repairs (i.e. it looks like it's structured with a focus on avoiding actual repairs). E.g. not just are there many cases of them stating that there was water damage without there being any sign of that they also use overly sensitive water intrusion sensors which frequently go off without any intrusion. Stories of them claiming other damage when the repair was e.g. just a faulty cable. they have done many steps to either make repair outright impossible or so cumbersome that they monetary make no sense (e.g. their "repair program") As far as I remember multiple PR campaigns which focused around fearmongering about "evil independent repair shops" have indirect ties with Apple. Indirect enough so that Apple can claim that had nothing to do with them. I.e. they in my opinion really don't want you to repair your devices, or worse upgrade them. Security in many (maybe not all) cases seems to play no role outside of being a good excuse.
sangnoir 3y ago
> I don't imagine many are self-repairing, but there are independent repair shops too. Beyond repair shops, there is a healthy cottage industry with thousands of participants - maybe tens of thousands - who do repairs in their homes as a hobby, extra income or for friends and family. Buying and fixing broken second-hand doodads for resale can be a profitable hobby, and saves items from being consigned to trash early. Apple gets $0 from this aftermarket, and ends up competing with its own products from 2018. I don't think they are pleased about Oregon's bill, especially as we've hit the limits of Gordon's Laws.
omikun 3y ago
Because it makes it easier for people to disassemble stolen iphones and sell the parts if they can be reused.

advael 3y ago

By preventing independent repair, Apple can indeed prevent you from holding on to your device longer by just deciding it's totaled with no one keeping them honest about it. It can also gouge you on parts and service even if it doesn't do that, as is true for any monopoly on any service. It also makes it harder for honest researchers to audit Apple's security claims, harder for independent hackers to modify devices they own, such as if they want to route around the incredibly high tax Apple imposes on developers for its hardware platforms, etc. The kind of control Apple wants to have comes with lots of profitable ways to exploit it.

dathinab 3y ago

they sell 1000+€ phones, tablets and computers many cases of very common damage to such devices is very much fixable, at least theoretically for a small fraction of the price they mainly care about you not repairing them any supposed "compromised security" could be handled with free user choice in form of a hardware lock-down mode (with appropriate warnings) but the huge majority of their users don't need nor care for that they provide no proper repair, only replacement of whole sometimes multiple components which given their design often means the whole motherboard, even if needed repairs can often be done with much much less cost their repair is also believed to systematically misclassify damage and needed repairs (i.e. it looks like it's structured with a focus on avoiding actual repairs). E.g. not just are there many cases of them stating that there was water damage without there being any sign of that they also use overly sensitive water intrusion sensors which frequently go off without any intrusion. Stories of them claiming other damage when the repair was e.g. just a faulty cable. they have done many steps to either make repair outright impossible or so cumbersome that they monetary make no sense (e.g. their "repair program") As far as I remember multiple PR campaigns which focused around fearmongering about "evil independent repair shops" have indirect ties with Apple. Indirect enough so that Apple can claim that had nothing to do with them. I.e. they in my opinion really don't want you to repair your devices, or worse upgrade them. Security in many (maybe not all) cases seems to play no role outside of being a good excuse.

sangnoir 3y ago

> I don't imagine many are self-repairing, but there are independent repair shops too. Beyond repair shops, there is a healthy cottage industry with thousands of participants - maybe tens of thousands - who do repairs in their homes as a hobby, extra income or for friends and family. Buying and fixing broken second-hand doodads for resale can be a profitable hobby, and saves items from being consigned to trash early. Apple gets $0 from this aftermarket, and ends up competing with its own products from 2018. I don't think they are pleased about Oregon's bill, especially as we've hit the limits of Gordon's Laws.

omikun 3y ago

Because it makes it easier for people to disassemble stolen iphones and sell the parts if they can be reused.