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French news mentions that the alleged crime is atteinte à la probité or lack of probity. In other words, things like corruption, influence peddling and so on.

by boricj 3y ago

French news mentions that the alleged crime is atteinte à la probité or lack of probity. In other words, things like corruption, influence peddling and so on. There are scant few details available, but this might be something more serious than just plain old tax evasion.

personomas 3y ago
See! The authorities don't even have a tangible reason, they just search because they want to. Now, because this is Huawei, I don't disagree per se, but that's a different matter. This company should just be outright banned from Europe.
- madeofpalk 3y ago
  > This company should just be outright banned from Europe. You don't even need a tangible reason! Just because you want to!
  - personomas 3y ago
    No, the reasons go on and on. China is a f***ing wrecking ball, and Huawei is one of their little puppets into the West.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  "A crime that is obscurely titled to those who aren't in France" is not at all the same as "don't even have a tangible reason". If you want to assert that they don't have a tangible reason, what is your actual evidence for that assertion?
  - personomas 3y ago
    Yeah, I'm assuming, but I also make that clear with my statement, that I'm basing my statement only on what the person above me wrote. That doesn't mean either that I believe 100% what I wrote myself, but they're important ideas that should be said anyways because these things are happening whether it's happening in this case or not doesn't actually matter.
- dikaio 3y ago
  Not only Europe but all Western countries. Not just Huawei but all Chinese companies that have stolen IP.
DyslexicAtheist 3y ago
While Alcatel, Nokia, Ericsson, had to play by the rules of their countries (not bribing officials in foreign locations), Huawei was able to gobble up most of the bids across Asia and Africa. While the Western telco players were held accountable in their bidding process, Huawei managed to gain a competitive advantage by playing under a different set of rules. For this reason it's impossible for any multinational to compete against Huawei while following the laws. (at least it was all the way until 2015 and by then the ship has sailed). The idea that Huawei was just better at innovation etc isn't true either since how much of these (5G) patents came to be created is another horror story. Eventually Huawei gobbled up all the R&D in France, Italy and Germany that previously belonged to us. Lot of people that got laid off from their previous employer simply switched to Huawei working on the same thing. You could work on cutting edge tech for Siemens in Milan one day, and a few months later worked for Huawei on the same topic. In no other place was the IP theft so visible as in the ETSI standards workgroups (based in france). At ETSI workshops Huawei was "shining" with their active participation and with European based engineers from Italy, France, and Germany - while the other players were slowly dying and could barely afford sending people to these workshops or put them on full-time job for standards ... The reason they could do it is because they simply didn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. the biggest criminals of course aren't Huawei execs but Telecom CxO's that knew how their companies got ripped off but still decided it was a great idea to create a site in China to off-shore some of the work. They sold out not just their companies in exchange for a fat bonus but an entire industry. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/siemens-chief-promises-full-explanation-of-bribery-scandal/a-2326912 https://www.dw.com/en/siemens-chief-promises-full-explanatio...
- lazyeye 3y ago
  I believe Huawei has a rotation policy where Chinese staff must be moved to a different country after a certain number of years lest they become too "localized" and less useful in promoting Chinese interests.
- gmerc 3y ago
  Replace Huawei with Uber in the ride hailing space. Or basically the entire crypto space. Move fast, break the law and buy your way out of the consequences is as much a Silicon Valley play as it is Chinese.

by boricj 3y ago

personomas 3y ago

See! The authorities don't even have a tangible reason, they just search because they want to. Now, because this is Huawei, I don't disagree per se, but that's a different matter. This company should just be outright banned from Europe.

madeofpalk 3y ago
> This company should just be outright banned from Europe. You don't even need a tangible reason! Just because you want to!
- personomas 3y ago
  No, the reasons go on and on. China is a f***ing wrecking ball, and Huawei is one of their little puppets into the West.
AnimalMuppet 3y ago
"A crime that is obscurely titled to those who aren't in France" is not at all the same as "don't even have a tangible reason". If you want to assert that they don't have a tangible reason, what is your actual evidence for that assertion?
- personomas 3y ago
  Yeah, I'm assuming, but I also make that clear with my statement, that I'm basing my statement only on what the person above me wrote. That doesn't mean either that I believe 100% what I wrote myself, but they're important ideas that should be said anyways because these things are happening whether it's happening in this case or not doesn't actually matter.
dikaio 3y ago
Not only Europe but all Western countries. Not just Huawei but all Chinese companies that have stolen IP.

DyslexicAtheist 3y ago

While Alcatel, Nokia, Ericsson, had to play by the rules of their countries (not bribing officials in foreign locations), Huawei was able to gobble up most of the bids across Asia and Africa. While the Western telco players were held accountable in their bidding process, Huawei managed to gain a competitive advantage by playing under a different set of rules. For this reason it's impossible for any multinational to compete against Huawei while following the laws. (at least it was all the way until 2015 and by then the ship has sailed). The idea that Huawei was just better at innovation etc isn't true either since how much of these (5G) patents came to be created is another horror story. Eventually Huawei gobbled up all the R&D in France, Italy and Germany that previously belonged to us. Lot of people that got laid off from their previous employer simply switched to Huawei working on the same thing. You could work on cutting edge tech for Siemens in Milan one day, and a few months later worked for Huawei on the same topic. In no other place was the IP theft so visible as in the ETSI standards workgroups (based in france). At ETSI workshops Huawei was "shining" with their active participation and with European based engineers from Italy, France, and Germany - while the other players were slowly dying and could barely afford sending people to these workshops or put them on full-time job for standards ... The reason they could do it is because they simply didn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. the biggest criminals of course aren't Huawei execs but Telecom CxO's that knew how their companies got ripped off but still decided it was a great idea to create a site in China to off-shore some of the work. They sold out not just their companies in exchange for a fat bonus but an entire industry. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/siemens-chief-promises-full-explanation-of-bribery-scandal/a-2326912 https://www.dw.com/en/siemens-chief-promises-full-explanatio...

lazyeye 3y ago
I believe Huawei has a rotation policy where Chinese staff must be moved to a different country after a certain number of years lest they become too "localized" and less useful in promoting Chinese interests.
gmerc 3y ago
Replace Huawei with Uber in the ride hailing space. Or basically the entire crypto space. Move fast, break the law and buy your way out of the consequences is as much a Silicon Valley play as it is Chinese.