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Not to contradict you, but he did also say a few quite annoyingly incorrect things, like claiming it was the fault of Poland that they were invaded by Hitler.

Not to contradict you, but he did also say a few quite annoyingly incorrect things, like claiming it was the fault of Poland that they were invaded by Hitler. Also the point where Tucker reached the conclusion that "only an idiot would believe that Russia is an expansionist power" sounds a lot like slurping sounds around Putin's private parts to me(Russia has invaded at least 3 neighbouring countries in the last decade) The Hitler/Poland observation especially makes me think perhaps Putin would like to call it the Second World Special Military Operation, which isn't all that far from calling the Ukraine war by any other name than a war.

somenameforme 3y ago
Tucker said nothing of the sort, nor did Putin claim it was Poland's fault they were invaded. Putin did, however, explain what Hitler's motivation was, The Free City of Danzig. [1] It was an area primarily populated with German peoples but 'granted' to Poland after WW1. Germany wanted it back, Poland refused, and eventually Germany ended up invading to get it back. This doesn't mean Germany's actions were right, nor Poland's wrong. It simply is what it is, and is obviously an extremely important part of history. There's a transcript of the interview here [2]. It looks like an auto-translated version of the Russian transcript, and a rather terrible one at that. So I would take it with a grain of salt, but it should at least be a decent way of finding whichever topic you're interested in and correlating that against its location in the actual interview. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig [2] - https://voxday.net/2024/02/09/tucker-putin-interview-complete-transcript/ https://voxday.net/2024/02/09/tucker-putin-interview-complet...
- mopsi 3y ago
  > Putin did, however, explain what Hitler's motivation was, The Free City of Danzig. That was an excuse, not motivation. Hitler was motivated by theories of racial superiority, which he immediately began carrying out in Poland after invading the country and dividing it with the USSR, which had attacked Poland from the east in a supporting action (they even held a joint victory parade). Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews and most Poles living in Poland and turn the few remaining Poles into a slave race serving German settlers, who were given Polish farms and businesses. Hitler managed to murder roughly 3 million Polish Jews and 3 million Poles before finding a sorry end in a petrol-filled ditch somewhere in Berlin. Systemic extermination of people living in Poland had been planned for years in advance and started right on the first days of the invasion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion Russian theories of superiority, exceptionalism and Russki mir are eerily similar to the German ideas of superiority and Lebensraum in both theory and practice: Operation Tannenberg (German: Unternehmen Tannenberg) was a codename for one of the anti-Polish extermination actions by Nazi Germany. The shootings were conducted with the use of a proscription list (Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen) targeting Poland’s elite, compiled by the Gestapo in the two years before the invasion of Poland. The secret lists identified more than 61,000 members of the Polish elite: activists, intelligentsia, scholars, clergy, actors, former officers and others, who were to be interned or shot. Members of the German minority living in Poland assisted in preparing the lists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenberg USSR did the same in the parts of Poland they invaded: The Katyn massacre was a series of mass executions of nearly 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia prisoners of war carried out by the Soviet Union, specifically the NKVD ("People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs", the Soviet secret police) in April and May 1940. /---/ The order to execute captive members of the Polish officer corps was secretly issued by the Soviet Politburo led by Joseph Stalin. Of the total killed, about 8,000 were officers imprisoned during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, another 6,000 were police officers, and the remaining 8,000 were Polish intelligentsia the Soviets deemed to be "intelligence agents and gendarmes, spies and saboteurs, former landowners, factory owners and officials". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre And the same thing is going on in occupied parts of Ukraine right now: In a deliberate, widespread campaign, Russian forces systematically targeted influential Ukrainians, nationally and locally, to neutralize resistance through detention, torture and executions, an Associated Press investigation has found. The strategy appears to violate the laws of war and could help build a case for genocide. Russian troops hunted Ukrainians by name, using lists prepared with the help of their intelligence services. In the crosshairs were government officials, journalists, activists, veterans, religious leaders and lawyers. /---/ The pattern was similar across the country, according to testimonies AP collected from occupied and formerly occupied territories around Kyiv, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Chernihiv and Donetsk regions. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russians-hunt-down-ukrainians-on-lists/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russians-hunt-dow...
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    In conflict, both sides try to demonize the other side, often using what are shown to be grossly exaggerated, and sometimes plainly false, claims. And it's not just "the other side" that does it. You should contrast what you read, when it sounds extreme, with what you know to be true outside of these claims. So for instance, Russia has more ethnicities than near to any other nation, with something like 185 different recognized ethnicities [1] living in the country. And there's no marginalization or racial issues or whatever, at least nothing outside the norm. You can find countless ethnic minorities in various positions of power that aren't there just because of an invisible quota or whatever, but because all that matters is who can do the job best. For instance Sergei Shoigu [2] is a name you probably know, and he is ethnically Tuvan. The American far right who view Russia as something like a white Christian ethnostate are seen, by Russians, as complete idiots. One can disagree with another, even be involved in a violent war, without trying to turn them into the Devil incarnate. Such fatuous and exaggerated claims also ultimately make light of when there are real issues, such as in another war we're supporting, which is nothing like this one. [1] - https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-ethnic-groups-in-russia.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-ethnic-groups-in... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu
    - lispm 3y ago
      Nonsense, the second world war history is excellently researched and Putin tells you only his propaganda views, which are just false. The Soviet Union collaborated with Germany on the invasion of Poland. In fact the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the East. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact This is not a "view", that's actual history.
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    - mopsi 3y ago
      I see no reason to call any of what I quoted an exaggeration. These are very well documented episodes, which barely scratch the surface when it comes to German and Russian crimes committed in Eastern Europe. The described actions were merely opening shots of WWII. The worst was yet to come. As to ethnic minorities in Russia: > And there's no marginalization or racial issues or whatever, at least nothing outside the norm. Complete lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification#In_Russian_Federation_(1991%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification#In_Russian_Feder...
- _19qg 3y ago
  Putin lied about the motivation of Germany and failed to mention, that the Soviet Union itself invaded parts of Poland. Hitler's motivation was to conquer and enslave East Europe. Getting Danzig back was not the motivation. It was only a stepping stone. The Soviet Union itself worked together with Nazi Germany and attacked & invaded Poland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact Putin should be convicted for war crimes. We learned nothing new from Putin, this stuff was all already explained by him. The right-wing "interviewer" from the US acted like a tool.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    You might want to watch the interview. In that section Putin obviously mentioned that the USSR also invaded Poland. That's when Western Ukraine, which had been part of Poland, came back under 'Soviet' control! Which is, again, a rather critical part of relevant contemporary history. As Wiki puts it [1]: --- "The response of non-ethnic Poles to the situation caused considerable complications. Many Ukrainians, Belarusians and Jews welcomed the invading troops.[100] Local Communists gathered people to welcome the Red Army troops in the traditional Slavic way by presenting bread and salt in the eastern suburb of Brest. A sort of triumphal arch on two poles, decked with spruce branches and flowers was fashioned for this occasion. A slogan in Russian on a long red banner, glorifying the USSR and welcoming the Red Army, crowned the arch.[101] The event was recorded by Lev Mekhlis, who reported to Stalin that the people of the West Ukraine welcomed the Soviet troops "like true liberators".[102] The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists rebelled against Polish rule and Communist partisans stirred up local revolts, such as in Skidel.[1]". --- [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#Domestic_reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#Dome...
    - _19qg 3y ago
      The Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east and ruled there with terror, mass-killings and deportations. "back under soviet control" means that the SU was taking the opportunity to conquer parts of Poland in an undeclared war, working together with Nazi Germany. Sure that it also exploited local conflicts.

somenameforme 3y ago

Tucker said nothing of the sort, nor did Putin claim it was Poland's fault they were invaded. Putin did, however, explain what Hitler's motivation was, The Free City of Danzig. [1] It was an area primarily populated with German peoples but 'granted' to Poland after WW1. Germany wanted it back, Poland refused, and eventually Germany ended up invading to get it back. This doesn't mean Germany's actions were right, nor Poland's wrong. It simply is what it is, and is obviously an extremely important part of history. There's a transcript of the interview here [2]. It looks like an auto-translated version of the Russian transcript, and a rather terrible one at that. So I would take it with a grain of salt, but it should at least be a decent way of finding whichever topic you're interested in and correlating that against its location in the actual interview. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig [2] - https://voxday.net/2024/02/09/tucker-putin-interview-complete-transcript/ https://voxday.net/2024/02/09/tucker-putin-interview-complet...

mopsi 3y ago
> Putin did, however, explain what Hitler's motivation was, The Free City of Danzig. That was an excuse, not motivation. Hitler was motivated by theories of racial superiority, which he immediately began carrying out in Poland after invading the country and dividing it with the USSR, which had attacked Poland from the east in a supporting action (they even held a joint victory parade). Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews and most Poles living in Poland and turn the few remaining Poles into a slave race serving German settlers, who were given Polish farms and businesses. Hitler managed to murder roughly 3 million Polish Jews and 3 million Poles before finding a sorry end in a petrol-filled ditch somewhere in Berlin. Systemic extermination of people living in Poland had been planned for years in advance and started right on the first days of the invasion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion Russian theories of superiority, exceptionalism and Russki mir are eerily similar to the German ideas of superiority and Lebensraum in both theory and practice: Operation Tannenberg (German: Unternehmen Tannenberg) was a codename for one of the anti-Polish extermination actions by Nazi Germany. The shootings were conducted with the use of a proscription list (Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen) targeting Poland’s elite, compiled by the Gestapo in the two years before the invasion of Poland. The secret lists identified more than 61,000 members of the Polish elite: activists, intelligentsia, scholars, clergy, actors, former officers and others, who were to be interned or shot. Members of the German minority living in Poland assisted in preparing the lists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenberg USSR did the same in the parts of Poland they invaded: The Katyn massacre was a series of mass executions of nearly 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia prisoners of war carried out by the Soviet Union, specifically the NKVD ("People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs", the Soviet secret police) in April and May 1940. /---/ The order to execute captive members of the Polish officer corps was secretly issued by the Soviet Politburo led by Joseph Stalin. Of the total killed, about 8,000 were officers imprisoned during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, another 6,000 were police officers, and the remaining 8,000 were Polish intelligentsia the Soviets deemed to be "intelligence agents and gendarmes, spies and saboteurs, former landowners, factory owners and officials". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre And the same thing is going on in occupied parts of Ukraine right now: In a deliberate, widespread campaign, Russian forces systematically targeted influential Ukrainians, nationally and locally, to neutralize resistance through detention, torture and executions, an Associated Press investigation has found. The strategy appears to violate the laws of war and could help build a case for genocide. Russian troops hunted Ukrainians by name, using lists prepared with the help of their intelligence services. In the crosshairs were government officials, journalists, activists, veterans, religious leaders and lawyers. /---/ The pattern was similar across the country, according to testimonies AP collected from occupied and formerly occupied territories around Kyiv, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Chernihiv and Donetsk regions. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russians-hunt-down-ukrainians-on-lists/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russians-hunt-dow...
- somenameforme 3y ago
  In conflict, both sides try to demonize the other side, often using what are shown to be grossly exaggerated, and sometimes plainly false, claims. And it's not just "the other side" that does it. You should contrast what you read, when it sounds extreme, with what you know to be true outside of these claims. So for instance, Russia has more ethnicities than near to any other nation, with something like 185 different recognized ethnicities [1] living in the country. And there's no marginalization or racial issues or whatever, at least nothing outside the norm. You can find countless ethnic minorities in various positions of power that aren't there just because of an invisible quota or whatever, but because all that matters is who can do the job best. For instance Sergei Shoigu [2] is a name you probably know, and he is ethnically Tuvan. The American far right who view Russia as something like a white Christian ethnostate are seen, by Russians, as complete idiots. One can disagree with another, even be involved in a violent war, without trying to turn them into the Devil incarnate. Such fatuous and exaggerated claims also ultimately make light of when there are real issues, such as in another war we're supporting, which is nothing like this one. [1] - https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-ethnic-groups-in-russia.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-ethnic-groups-in... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu
  - lispm 3y ago
    Nonsense, the second world war history is excellently researched and Putin tells you only his propaganda views, which are just false. The Soviet Union collaborated with Germany on the invasion of Poland. In fact the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the East. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact This is not a "view", that's actual history.
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  - mopsi 3y ago
    I see no reason to call any of what I quoted an exaggeration. These are very well documented episodes, which barely scratch the surface when it comes to German and Russian crimes committed in Eastern Europe. The described actions were merely opening shots of WWII. The worst was yet to come. As to ethnic minorities in Russia: > And there's no marginalization or racial issues or whatever, at least nothing outside the norm. Complete lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification#In_Russian_Federation_(1991%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification#In_Russian_Feder...
_19qg 3y ago
Putin lied about the motivation of Germany and failed to mention, that the Soviet Union itself invaded parts of Poland. Hitler's motivation was to conquer and enslave East Europe. Getting Danzig back was not the motivation. It was only a stepping stone. The Soviet Union itself worked together with Nazi Germany and attacked & invaded Poland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact Putin should be convicted for war crimes. We learned nothing new from Putin, this stuff was all already explained by him. The right-wing "interviewer" from the US acted like a tool.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  You might want to watch the interview. In that section Putin obviously mentioned that the USSR also invaded Poland. That's when Western Ukraine, which had been part of Poland, came back under 'Soviet' control! Which is, again, a rather critical part of relevant contemporary history. As Wiki puts it [1]: --- "The response of non-ethnic Poles to the situation caused considerable complications. Many Ukrainians, Belarusians and Jews welcomed the invading troops.[100] Local Communists gathered people to welcome the Red Army troops in the traditional Slavic way by presenting bread and salt in the eastern suburb of Brest. A sort of triumphal arch on two poles, decked with spruce branches and flowers was fashioned for this occasion. A slogan in Russian on a long red banner, glorifying the USSR and welcoming the Red Army, crowned the arch.[101] The event was recorded by Lev Mekhlis, who reported to Stalin that the people of the West Ukraine welcomed the Soviet troops "like true liberators".[102] The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists rebelled against Polish rule and Communist partisans stirred up local revolts, such as in Skidel.[1]". --- [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#Domestic_reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland#Dome...
  - _19qg 3y ago
    The Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east and ruled there with terror, mass-killings and deportations. "back under soviet control" means that the SU was taking the opportunity to conquer parts of Poland in an undeclared war, working together with Nazi Germany. Sure that it also exploited local conflicts.