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Yeah, China arrested Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, the latter later admitted he was used by Michael Kovrig to pass intelligence information to the Canadian

by Leary 3y ago

Yeah, China arrested Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, the latter later admitted he was used by Michael Kovrig to pass intelligence information to the Canadian spy agencies. [1] The Canada paid them off to remain silent [2]. [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-spavor-kovrig-china-intelligence-background/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-spavor-kovrig... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-ready-pay-settlements-two-men-imprisoned-china-2018-report-2023-12-26/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-ready-pay-sett...

loceng 3y ago
You're using an "alleges" as confirmation?
reaperman 3y ago
Source [1] says: > China subjected Mr. Spavor to lengthy interrogation sessions, according to one of the sources. He was drugged, forced to sit in a chair for long hours and subjected to threats of execution, the source said. Mr. Spavor admitted to the Chinese interrogators, the source said, that he provided information to Mr. Kovrig. I'd only be able to trust statements that were made freely. Have either of these two made any statements on the matter since returning to Canada? I also wouldn't trust most plea deals made with US federal prosecutors either -- it's easy for any government to get people to plead guilty to things they didn't do.
- FooBarWidget 3y ago
  As a matter of fact he did. He sued the other Michael in Canada.
  - reaperman 3y ago
    I can see where Spavor sued the Canadian government, but can't find Spavor vs. Kovrig (or vice-versa). Still, since returning to Canada, Spavor is continuing to state that he provided espionage intelligence to Kovrig. So that checks out. > Spavor is seeking a multimillion dollar settlement against the federal government for involving him in espionage activities without his knowledge. Spavor alleges that he provided Michael Kovrig with intelligence on North Korea, which Kovrig then secretly gave to the Canadian government and its Five Eyes allies without Spavor's permission, leading to their arrest and detention.
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by Leary 3y ago

loceng 3y ago

You're using an "alleges" as confirmation?

reaperman 3y ago

Source [1] says: > China subjected Mr. Spavor to lengthy interrogation sessions, according to one of the sources. He was drugged, forced to sit in a chair for long hours and subjected to threats of execution, the source said. Mr. Spavor admitted to the Chinese interrogators, the source said, that he provided information to Mr. Kovrig. I'd only be able to trust statements that were made freely. Have either of these two made any statements on the matter since returning to Canada? I also wouldn't trust most plea deals made with US federal prosecutors either -- it's easy for any government to get people to plead guilty to things they didn't do.

FooBarWidget 3y ago
As a matter of fact he did. He sued the other Michael in Canada.
- reaperman 3y ago
  I can see where Spavor sued the Canadian government, but can't find Spavor vs. Kovrig (or vice-versa). Still, since returning to Canada, Spavor is continuing to state that he provided espionage intelligence to Kovrig. So that checks out. > Spavor is seeking a multimillion dollar settlement against the federal government for involving him in espionage activities without his knowledge. Spavor alleges that he provided Michael Kovrig with intelligence on North Korea, which Kovrig then secretly gave to the Canadian government and its Five Eyes allies without Spavor's permission, leading to their arrest and detention.
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