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There's a difference between concluding that scientific research is wrong and concluding that it is fraudulent. The latter is a claim about the character of the

There's a difference between concluding that scientific research is wrong and concluding that it is fraudulent. The latter is a claim about the character of the scientist involved, alleging them to have taken unethical if not illegal action. If that is provably false then it can certainly rise to the level of defamation.

graphe 3y ago
What's illegal about torturing data?
- mjhay 3y ago
  It may or may not be illegal (it probably would be in the case of fraudulently obtained grant funding), but academic fraud is career-ending. It is a very serious accusation. Besides, you are completely misunderstanding how defamation works. Defamation does not require that an allegation of a crime. Heck, there's even a term for this kind of thing: defamation of character. https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/civil-litigation/defamation-character.html https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/civil-litigation/defama... Another term you might want to look up is "Dunning-Kruger."
  - graphe 3y ago
    Really? What about Francesca Gino who is at Harvard https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=271812 https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=271812 and has even fraud and retractions on her Wikipedia? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesca_Gino https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesca_Gino Still a teacher at Harvard and filed a frivolous suit of defamation to the detriment of data conda. I see no evidence that data fraud is "career ending" and the snark about dunning Kruger is fitting for your comment.
    - linuxftw 3y ago
      Indeed. It seems fraud is table stakes at this point. Typically however, climate 'scientists' abstract their fraud. They take raw data, fit it to their 'model', and then produce a conclusion. Sometimes they get over zealous, and manipulate the raw data, like the NOAA was caught doing.

graphe 3y ago

What's illegal about torturing data?

mjhay 3y ago
It may or may not be illegal (it probably would be in the case of fraudulently obtained grant funding), but academic fraud is career-ending. It is a very serious accusation. Besides, you are completely misunderstanding how defamation works. Defamation does not require that an allegation of a crime. Heck, there's even a term for this kind of thing: defamation of character. https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/civil-litigation/defamation-character.html https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/civil-litigation/defama... Another term you might want to look up is "Dunning-Kruger."
- graphe 3y ago
  Really? What about Francesca Gino who is at Harvard https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=271812 https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=271812 and has even fraud and retractions on her Wikipedia? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesca_Gino https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesca_Gino Still a teacher at Harvard and filed a frivolous suit of defamation to the detriment of data conda. I see no evidence that data fraud is "career ending" and the snark about dunning Kruger is fitting for your comment.
  - linuxftw 3y ago
    Indeed. It seems fraud is table stakes at this point. Typically however, climate 'scientists' abstract their fraud. They take raw data, fit it to their 'model', and then produce a conclusion. Sometimes they get over zealous, and manipulate the raw data, like the NOAA was caught doing.