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The states listed are: - California - Colorado - Maine - Maryland - Massachusetts - New Jersey - New York - Oregon - Rhode Island

nostrademons 3y ago
So the usual blue-state suspects, minus Washington and a bunch of the New England states.
- virtue3 3y ago
  places where heat pumps are not going to work well when it drops to freezing / below freezing.
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    Our Diakin was working at -15F but Po Lil PumpPump was struggling. I had to have floorboard heat on for that week. So, it does work (not if you buy a cheaper unit not made for your climate) but it works a lot better above freezing.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Several red states (the TVA) have had heat pumps as normal for decades. Now heat pumps work better and so they should extend to the other states.
082349872349872 3y ago
representing ~1/3 of 2022 GDP (via https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2023-12/stgdppi3q23.pdf https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2023-12/stgdppi3q23.... )
- jtbayly 3y ago
  I don't see how the GDP has anything to do with this. What percent of the population those states make up might be somewhat interesting at least. But even then, 90% of new installations requires us to know what percent of installations those states make up, and population isn't necessarily (but could be) a good corollary for that.
subsubzero 3y ago
Interestingly enough, That list of states besides Colorado and Maine all were the biggest losers of population in 2023, meaning people are leaving these states. - California -0.9 - Maryland -0.5 - Massachusetts -0.6 - New Jersey -0.5 - New York -1.1 - Oregon -0.1 - Rhode Island -0.3
- melling 3y ago
  60 million people live in California and NY. 9 million in NJ 4.2 million in Oregon 7 million in Massachusetts 6 million in Maryland 1 million in Rhode Island
- epistasis 3y ago
  They are also rich states that are pricing out people rather than building housing.
- nostrademons 3y ago
  Largely because that's the list of places where housing is super expensive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_median_home_price #2 California $554K #3 Massachusetts $422K #5 Colorado. $397K #6 Oregon $361K #8 New Jersey $335K #9 New York $322K #10 Maryland $308K #13 Rhode Island $300K #25 Maine $242K And where income is highest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income #1 Maryland $90K #2 Massachusetts $89K #3 New Jersey $89K #5 California $85K #9 Colorado $82K #14 New York $74K #15 Rhode Island $74K #18 Oregon $71K #32 Maine $64K People are moving out because it's desirable to live there and hence there's a lot of competition for housing. If you're not one of the top earners in the state, you can increase your relative standard of living by moving somewhere where it's cheaper.
  - hexis 3y ago
    "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"
- bagels 3y ago
  What are the units?
Detrytus 3y ago
Why would anyone need a heat pump in California, given the climate there? I can understand north-eastern states, but not this. Is it a case of mindlessly jumping on "progressive" bandwagon? EDIT: I actually spent one winter in San Diego, and apartments there don't even have any heating installed (except occasional fireplace in the living room). I know that more to the north it might get worse, but by how much?
- jtbayly 3y ago
  You still need heat in California, one way or another, especially further north. What would you suggest as a method of heating in CA?
- BorgHunter 3y ago
  Heat pumps are much more common in warm areas than cold ones, because the difference between an A/C and a heat pump is really just the ability to reverse the refrigerant flow, and they're very efficient at heating in mildly cold weather. I grew up in Florida, and pretty much every house there had a heat pump even thirty years ago, with electric resistive heating that kicks in when ambient temperatures drop below 40F or so. Where heat pumps don't work so well is when ambient temperatures are very cold, which is why adoption in northern states has been much slower. EDIT: My grandparents' house had a thermostat that looked like this: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uqsAAOSwTVlbyNN9/s-l1200.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uqsAAOSwTVlbyNN9/s-l1200.jpg They would call very cold (for Florida) weather "blue light weather", because the blue "aux heat" light would turn on on their thermostat, indicating that the system had switched from the heat pump to the resistive heat strips.
  - Detrytus 3y ago
    My sister just got a heat pump installed in her new house in Poland, where temperatures occasionally drop to 0 Fahrenheit. I wouldn't say they only work in "mildly cold weather" - as per new EU policy heat pumps will be one of the few legal heat sources, even in countries such as Sweden.
    - 3y ago

nostrademons 3y ago

So the usual blue-state suspects, minus Washington and a bunch of the New England states.

virtue3 3y ago
places where heat pumps are not going to work well when it drops to freezing / below freezing.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  Our Diakin was working at -15F but Po Lil PumpPump was struggling. I had to have floorboard heat on for that week. So, it does work (not if you buy a cheaper unit not made for your climate) but it works a lot better above freezing.
bluGill 3y ago
Several red states (the TVA) have had heat pumps as normal for decades. Now heat pumps work better and so they should extend to the other states.

082349872349872 3y ago

representing ~1/3 of 2022 GDP (via https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2023-12/stgdppi3q23.pdf https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2023-12/stgdppi3q23.... )

jtbayly 3y ago
I don't see how the GDP has anything to do with this. What percent of the population those states make up might be somewhat interesting at least. But even then, 90% of new installations requires us to know what percent of installations those states make up, and population isn't necessarily (but could be) a good corollary for that.

subsubzero 3y ago

Interestingly enough, That list of states besides Colorado and Maine all were the biggest losers of population in 2023, meaning people are leaving these states. - California -0.9 - Maryland -0.5 - Massachusetts -0.6 - New Jersey -0.5 - New York -1.1 - Oregon -0.1 - Rhode Island -0.3

melling 3y ago
60 million people live in California and NY. 9 million in NJ 4.2 million in Oregon 7 million in Massachusetts 6 million in Maryland 1 million in Rhode Island
epistasis 3y ago
They are also rich states that are pricing out people rather than building housing.
nostrademons 3y ago
Largely because that's the list of places where housing is super expensive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_median_home_price #2 California $554K #3 Massachusetts $422K #5 Colorado. $397K #6 Oregon $361K #8 New Jersey $335K #9 New York $322K #10 Maryland $308K #13 Rhode Island $300K #25 Maine $242K And where income is highest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income #1 Maryland $90K #2 Massachusetts $89K #3 New Jersey $89K #5 California $85K #9 Colorado $82K #14 New York $74K #15 Rhode Island $74K #18 Oregon $71K #32 Maine $64K People are moving out because it's desirable to live there and hence there's a lot of competition for housing. If you're not one of the top earners in the state, you can increase your relative standard of living by moving somewhere where it's cheaper.
- hexis 3y ago
  "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"
bagels 3y ago
What are the units?

Detrytus 3y ago

Why would anyone need a heat pump in California, given the climate there? I can understand north-eastern states, but not this. Is it a case of mindlessly jumping on "progressive" bandwagon? EDIT: I actually spent one winter in San Diego, and apartments there don't even have any heating installed (except occasional fireplace in the living room). I know that more to the north it might get worse, but by how much?

jtbayly 3y ago
You still need heat in California, one way or another, especially further north. What would you suggest as a method of heating in CA?
BorgHunter 3y ago
Heat pumps are much more common in warm areas than cold ones, because the difference between an A/C and a heat pump is really just the ability to reverse the refrigerant flow, and they're very efficient at heating in mildly cold weather. I grew up in Florida, and pretty much every house there had a heat pump even thirty years ago, with electric resistive heating that kicks in when ambient temperatures drop below 40F or so. Where heat pumps don't work so well is when ambient temperatures are very cold, which is why adoption in northern states has been much slower. EDIT: My grandparents' house had a thermostat that looked like this: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uqsAAOSwTVlbyNN9/s-l1200.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uqsAAOSwTVlbyNN9/s-l1200.jpg They would call very cold (for Florida) weather "blue light weather", because the blue "aux heat" light would turn on on their thermostat, indicating that the system had switched from the heat pump to the resistive heat strips.
- Detrytus 3y ago
  My sister just got a heat pump installed in her new house in Poland, where temperatures occasionally drop to 0 Fahrenheit. I wouldn't say they only work in "mildly cold weather" - as per new EU policy heat pumps will be one of the few legal heat sources, even in countries such as Sweden.
  - 3y ago