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Because NATO did not expand. Countries decided to join NATO. You may think this is the same with other words, but it isn't. In the first version there's only t
by sgift 3y ago
Because NATO did not expand. Countries decided to join NATO. You may think this is the same with other words, but it isn't.
In the first version there's only two actors in the world, who can make decisions: Russia and NATO (or rather USA, for they argue NATO is basically the USA with another name). In the second version countries are free to decide who they associate with. There wasn't some empty space that NATO moved into. The countries who were there said "hey, NATO. Russia has been attacking and oppressing us for a long time and we fear they will do it again. We'd like to join."
To answer your second question: Exactly what Russias neighbors feared is the reason. Russia is unhappy they couldn't oppress their neighbors anymore since 1990 and they want to do it again. They cannot really do it to the countries that already joined NATO, so they did it to the country that was late to the party.
- ImJamal 3y ago>Because NATO did not expand. Countries decided to join NATO. You may think this is the same with other words, but it isn't. In the first version That is sort of a weird argument. Do you believe that is the case for the US as well? The US did not expand into Indian areas those areas just decided to join the US..
- khzw8yyy 3y agoJust to clarify: the "we" who would like to join is a government that was installed by the USA in a coup. What kind of "attacking and oppressing" happened before the coup?
- jnsaff2 3y agoSo Finland and Sweden have governments "installed by USA in a coup"?
- khzw8yyy 3y agoThat's just being obtuse to be obtuse. You and I both understand the difference between the choices that Finland or Sweden made and the "choices" that Ukraine or Iraq made.
- jnsaff2 3y agoSo Ukraine can’t have choices without russians getting all murderous about it but it’s fine when Finns and Swedes do?
- khzw8yyy 3y agoIf a political party came to power in Finland or Sweden outside the normal electoral process and decided to align the country with Russia, would the EU and the USA call them usurpers and terrorists and start military intervention to liberate Finland or Sweden? Or would they not?
- jnsaff2 3y agoThe only one who started the military intervention here is russia. russia attacked Ukraine. Ukrainians had enough of kremlin puppets.
- khzw8yyy 3y agoThis is relevant how? I asked about a hypothetical scenario: would the USA violently suppress a Pro-Russia Party of Finland. That seems to have caused a crash and you fell back to your default rhetoric.
- jnsaff2 3y agoNo. Vatnik said: > Just to clarify: the "we" who would like to join is a government that was installed by the USA in a coup. What kind of "attacking and oppressing" happened before the coup?
- khzw8yyy 3y agoAnd the Yank said that only the US of A gets to have anything to do with geopolitics because "we are just better that's why". Oh, and "because all my life I've been told Russians are evil". Putin is unfortunately right, you understand only one kind of argument.