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Finally a comment that mentions the obvious. As an outside observer, I don't know the company culture directly, but I have to assume Baker is not the type of p

Finally a comment that mentions the obvious. As an outside observer, I don't know the company culture directly, but I have to assume Baker is not the type of person to just leave that role. If she wanted to leave, she could stay until a permanent CEO has been found. It must have become obvious by now, even to the board, that Mozilla has been a sinking ship under the destructive influence of Baker. Growing dissatisfaction within the employee base could play a role. But judging from the comfortable bubble they live in due to google money coming in regardless of performance, it seems this is more about the board seeing the stagnation that endangers their own future income as well. I would not be surprised if, internally, the resignation was planned together with Baker already 2-3 years ago, and her pay rise was part of the internal deal to compensate her. I helped create Librewolf, which originally was still called Librefox. Mozilla complained about the "fox" part of the name. While that behavior is probably understandable, it shows the type of company Mozilla has become, where a small irrelevant open-source skin of Firefox is seen as a threat. Mozilla, unfortunately, has long been a wolf in sheeps clothing, working together with Google behind the scenes to harm the open non-commercial internet.

diggan 3y ago
> Mozilla, unfortunately, has long been a wolf in sheeps clothing, working together with Google behind the scenes to harm the open non-commercial internet. That's a pretty strong claim, probably one that requires providing further proof of that happening, than just pointing to "comfortable bubble due to google money" and Mozilla defending their trademark.
- throwaway04293 3y ago
  It's self-evident. I'm not talking about some shady conspiracy. Google has been keeping Firefox alive. Thus the incentives for Mozilla have been aligned with Google, which has an interest to plaster everything with ads, thus commercialize everything. Mozilla had to hide this obvious incentive and pretend it was on the side of the user, thus it became a wolf in sheeps clothing. Mozilla started to implement some nice privacy-preserving features, all the while knowing that including a google search with search suggestions as you type means that literally everything people type into the address bar gets send to google, making privacy impossible. The almost endless money flow from google, independent from performance, led to a strange company culture where nothing mattered anymore except having a good time with co-workers. Without the correct (monetary) incentives, there is no pressure to innovate.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    > Mozilla started to implement some nice privacy-preserving features, They try their best all the time not to do what actually improves users privacy and hurts Google the most, blocking admob. They do everything but that, while also using Google analytics for most of their products.
  - hitekker 3y ago
    > strange company culture where nothing mattered anymore except having a good time with co-workers. You can see how Ex-Mozilla people try to cover up their CEO's bad leadership in these comment threads alone. Apparently the CEO being nice to them and championing their pet social causes is enough to earn their loyalty.

diggan 3y ago

> Mozilla, unfortunately, has long been a wolf in sheeps clothing, working together with Google behind the scenes to harm the open non-commercial internet. That's a pretty strong claim, probably one that requires providing further proof of that happening, than just pointing to "comfortable bubble due to google money" and Mozilla defending their trademark.

throwaway04293 3y ago
It's self-evident. I'm not talking about some shady conspiracy. Google has been keeping Firefox alive. Thus the incentives for Mozilla have been aligned with Google, which has an interest to plaster everything with ads, thus commercialize everything. Mozilla had to hide this obvious incentive and pretend it was on the side of the user, thus it became a wolf in sheeps clothing. Mozilla started to implement some nice privacy-preserving features, all the while knowing that including a google search with search suggestions as you type means that literally everything people type into the address bar gets send to google, making privacy impossible. The almost endless money flow from google, independent from performance, led to a strange company culture where nothing mattered anymore except having a good time with co-workers. Without the correct (monetary) incentives, there is no pressure to innovate.
- jacooper 3y ago
  > Mozilla started to implement some nice privacy-preserving features, They try their best all the time not to do what actually improves users privacy and hurts Google the most, blocking admob. They do everything but that, while also using Google analytics for most of their products.
- hitekker 3y ago
  > strange company culture where nothing mattered anymore except having a good time with co-workers. You can see how Ex-Mozilla people try to cover up their CEO's bad leadership in these comment threads alone. Apparently the CEO being nice to them and championing their pet social causes is enough to earn their loyalty.