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No, it's a bad working environment for you, and I'd appreciate if you didn't condescend me with smiley faces and presume to make declarations about my productiv

by vsnf 3y ago

No, it's a bad working environment for you, and I'd appreciate if you didn't condescend me with smiley faces and presume to make declarations about my productivity on my behalf. > Just think and tell, why you're not everyday working in such an environment, But I am. >And on other days you choose to work from somewhere else. I do not. > Analyze your last week's if you want so :) I did. I was at various cafes 6 of the last 7 days. I would be less productive at home, or any other quiet, non-energetic environment. I would know, I've tried and hated it. I respect that this is a somewhat unorthodox approach to a working environment and may be difficult to comprehend, but what is true for you is not some global truth you can apply to the rest of us unconditionally.

theGeatZhopa 3y ago
Why so aggressive? Like my girlfriend who each time listens music with earphones while learning things for her exams with exactly the same arguments like you - like "it's your problem, not my", "I can't learn without music", "I learn faster with music" ... It's ok. It's her choice. I see her switching each few tenth seconds, sometimes also a "not that song again" can be heard. She's distracted every now and then and - that - she don't realize, because it's against "her experiences" that are based on "her experiences" which has listening to music as basis. She might be productive in her eyes, but I see her distracted every few seconds for a few seconds to a few mins searching for the right song to learn. She might say "I learned much more while listening to music", but I see she learns more faster, when she learns with some other in a quiet environment. It's a fact. No matter what you do or what you feel like, our brains are the same. We only can keep up 10mins of pure concentration without distractions, then we need a short pause. The same applies to learning things effectively, especially if you try to understand smthg. The biggest brainer here: to recognize this and being able to see, that pure concentration can't be achieved in a soundy/loud environment because our brain is always working and filtering the visual/background noise information around us for danger. This costs attention and we get lightly distracted by some unfamiliar sound, like some one swirling the tea spoon in the teacup. This applies if some brain doesn't have the Attention Deficit Syndrome, where you can't keep your attention to one thing for a few seconds. This brains have a problem to concentrate anyway and never experience nor have the need for a quiet surrounding. But this can't be compared then, as it's a special case and the majority do not have this condition. So with a smile face, you either have a lack of self reflection on that topic and talk out of experiences, which you made and which happens to be "typically in a cafe" or you have some sort of concentration problems anyway. I can tell you - when I was a student, my best study friend and me, we prepared our exams in loud environments and in quiet ones. We learned at a busy McDonald's from 10 am 'til 6pm. While it was very cool and productive - self reflection tells me it wasn't. It was all the light stuff we did in noisy environments. But the heavy stuff has been lifted in the night time like 1 am in the university - where it happened to be quit. Of course, also the noisy environments yielded good results - but I don't lie to myself, they could've been better with me doing quiet learning instead doing enjoyable learning. So take it like you want, you can't talk away science. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/#:~:text=Noise%20as%20a%20sensory%20stimulus,the%20performance%20of%20attentional%20functions https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/#:~:tex.... It's a kind of a "religion talk" talking that kind of topics - because it's hard for us to reflect the bad things and to admit one's wrongs. Its difficult to look at it unbiased :) with a smily face sliding out of the discussion.
- vsnf 3y ago
  I appreciate your well intentioned point of view (and that you didn't include smilely faces this time), but I think you need to tone down the sanctimony. There's an irony in how you talk about the misplaced conviction of others while being equally convicted yourself. Rightly or wrongly, you've made broad reaching and grandiose statements about others on their behalf, which if nothing else, is not a compelling strategy for your convincing your debate partners. I understand that you cannot comprehend working in a cafe. It's not for everyone. But it is for me. And even if we don't agree on that point, the world won't burn down because of it. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to return to my cafe and get some more work done.
  - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
    Yes, you're right. I need to tone down. My statement was neutral and with arguments that underpin what I'm stating. You didn't participate in the discussion the same way, except pointing out that it's for you but not for me, it's a compelling strategy and that I can't comprehend.. I can, as you're able to see in my brought arguments. And of course, each one is free to reflect my points or not and also each one is free where he chooses to work, as long the work is done. Ay, peace!

by vsnf 3y ago

theGeatZhopa 3y ago

Why so aggressive? Like my girlfriend who each time listens music with earphones while learning things for her exams with exactly the same arguments like you - like "it's your problem, not my", "I can't learn without music", "I learn faster with music" ... It's ok. It's her choice. I see her switching each few tenth seconds, sometimes also a "not that song again" can be heard. She's distracted every now and then and - that - she don't realize, because it's against "her experiences" that are based on "her experiences" which has listening to music as basis. She might be productive in her eyes, but I see her distracted every few seconds for a few seconds to a few mins searching for the right song to learn. She might say "I learned much more while listening to music", but I see she learns more faster, when she learns with some other in a quiet environment. It's a fact. No matter what you do or what you feel like, our brains are the same. We only can keep up 10mins of pure concentration without distractions, then we need a short pause. The same applies to learning things effectively, especially if you try to understand smthg. The biggest brainer here: to recognize this and being able to see, that pure concentration can't be achieved in a soundy/loud environment because our brain is always working and filtering the visual/background noise information around us for danger. This costs attention and we get lightly distracted by some unfamiliar sound, like some one swirling the tea spoon in the teacup. This applies if some brain doesn't have the Attention Deficit Syndrome, where you can't keep your attention to one thing for a few seconds. This brains have a problem to concentrate anyway and never experience nor have the need for a quiet surrounding. But this can't be compared then, as it's a special case and the majority do not have this condition. So with a smile face, you either have a lack of self reflection on that topic and talk out of experiences, which you made and which happens to be "typically in a cafe" or you have some sort of concentration problems anyway. I can tell you - when I was a student, my best study friend and me, we prepared our exams in loud environments and in quiet ones. We learned at a busy McDonald's from 10 am 'til 6pm. While it was very cool and productive - self reflection tells me it wasn't. It was all the light stuff we did in noisy environments. But the heavy stuff has been lifted in the night time like 1 am in the university - where it happened to be quit. Of course, also the noisy environments yielded good results - but I don't lie to myself, they could've been better with me doing quiet learning instead doing enjoyable learning. So take it like you want, you can't talk away science. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/#:~:text=Noise%20as%20a%20sensory%20stimulus,the%20performance%20of%20attentional%20functions https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/#:~:tex.... It's a kind of a "religion talk" talking that kind of topics - because it's hard for us to reflect the bad things and to admit one's wrongs. Its difficult to look at it unbiased :) with a smily face sliding out of the discussion.

vsnf 3y ago
I appreciate your well intentioned point of view (and that you didn't include smilely faces this time), but I think you need to tone down the sanctimony. There's an irony in how you talk about the misplaced conviction of others while being equally convicted yourself. Rightly or wrongly, you've made broad reaching and grandiose statements about others on their behalf, which if nothing else, is not a compelling strategy for your convincing your debate partners. I understand that you cannot comprehend working in a cafe. It's not for everyone. But it is for me. And even if we don't agree on that point, the world won't burn down because of it. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to return to my cafe and get some more work done.
- theGeatZhopa 3y ago
  Yes, you're right. I need to tone down. My statement was neutral and with arguments that underpin what I'm stating. You didn't participate in the discussion the same way, except pointing out that it's for you but not for me, it's a compelling strategy and that I can't comprehend.. I can, as you're able to see in my brought arguments. And of course, each one is free to reflect my points or not and also each one is free where he chooses to work, as long the work is done. Ay, peace!