> if they sign this agreement then Russia will come marching in and try to "really" invade them in 5 years. 5 weeks. Typical Russian tactics is to invade, then

> if they sign this agreement then Russia will come marching in and try to "really" invade them in 5 years. 5 weeks. Typical Russian tactics is to invade, then call for peace, then reinforce area, perform ethnical cleansing, solve problem with logistic, then blame other side for something and invade again. > Ukraine could have, instead, spent the next 5 years setting up an unprecedented series of defense in depth series of barriers around the border We spent 5 years preparing our defenses, spending 5% of GPD on that, BUT huge border with RF (1974 km) and Belarus + shore (1500 km) are not easy or cheap to reinforce. Ukraine has the largest border in Europe between two countries. > This was not an obligatory war for self existence, but a choice - a choice made at the urging of the West. LOL