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This is wild to admit but we are directly betting that Google will fail to effectively incorporate Gemini across GSuite for Work. I think it is (very) fair to

This is wild to admit but we are directly betting that Google will fail to effectively incorporate Gemini across GSuite for Work. I think it is (very) fair to say this is a risky bet. I would love to hear from the HN community why we are wrong to take it. Here’s the case we see: 1. Google has a long history of seeking to evolve the GSuite and failing. There are notable exceptions, but the failures are far more notable (Wave, G+). 2. Extending Gsuite is a scripts game. As amazing as the idea of an AI powered Gsuite is, practical B2B implementation requires a heavy amount of custom process design and integration. While Google can modify their own products far beyond what GApp scripts do, the ecosystem around Gsuite is still fundamentally very hacky. There’s an entire universe of products that could just be Google add-ons but aren’t. Google has missed the trend of no code/low code when you compare to tools like Notion, Coda, AirTable, Zapier, etc. 3. GSuite products are fundamentally legacy UIs. This is the riskiest part of our bet. The thesis is that AI-first approaches to solving for user needs will be significantly better solved by re-imagining common products than adding chat-driven functionality on top of them. If true, Google could actually lose market share after incorporating Gemini. Microsoft, in relative terms, is executing on all of the above and has been for a while. There’s a host of other reasons (mentioned on this thread already) Google may fail in this attempt, but the execution challenge here is intense. Google is both taking longer to get to market and delivering a lackluster comparison overall to OpenAI/Microsoft, despite all the metric gamesmanship. MS has so much more of the market and has to win, whereas Google’s revenue and stock price is far less impacted by GSuite. It would be an extraordinary thing for Google to actually win this race.

vrzucchini 3y ago
Things like the below are precisely why I would not only bet on Google failing but silently hope that they do. Sorry, Gemini Advanced isn't available for you Gemini Advanced is not yet available in some countries, for work accounts, or for users under a certain age. Rant: No explanation, no suggested alternative; just an ominous "Learn More" button that sends you barreling down the spiraling rabbit hole of support.google.com. Diving deeper, I uncovered that 's accessibility is limited to personal accounts under Google One with the sole Workspace option being for Google Workspace Individual(??). On my personal account I can sign up for Gemini Advanced by upgrading my Google One account to Google One AI Premium. As a standard Google Workspace account holder, I was directed towards Gemini for Workspace but naturally that is still branded as Duet AI for Workspace.. And naturally I have to request a trial and be contacted by a Google team member even though it has been announced as being generally available.. It's a microcosm of the broader frustrations with Google's approach to product development and user engagement that we've come to expect - hyped product launches with restricted availability, arbitrary limitations, and a consistently-confused product ecosystem.
htrp 3y ago
> Microsoft, in relative terms, is executing on all of the above and has been for a while. They are and copilot for office still is atrocious. However, they are learning and developing what should be the new interfaces for AI enabled productivity.
- sirspacey 3y ago
  Yes we’re also betting Microsoft will do it and it will suck. So far, not a risky bet.

vrzucchini 3y ago

Things like the below are precisely why I would not only bet on Google failing but silently hope that they do. Sorry, Gemini Advanced isn't available for you Gemini Advanced is not yet available in some countries, for work accounts, or for users under a certain age. Rant: No explanation, no suggested alternative; just an ominous "Learn More" button that sends you barreling down the spiraling rabbit hole of support.google.com. Diving deeper, I uncovered that 's accessibility is limited to personal accounts under Google One with the sole Workspace option being for Google Workspace Individual(??). On my personal account I can sign up for Gemini Advanced by upgrading my Google One account to Google One AI Premium. As a standard Google Workspace account holder, I was directed towards Gemini for Workspace but naturally that is still branded as Duet AI for Workspace.. And naturally I have to request a trial and be contacted by a Google team member even though it has been announced as being generally available.. It's a microcosm of the broader frustrations with Google's approach to product development and user engagement that we've come to expect - hyped product launches with restricted availability, arbitrary limitations, and a consistently-confused product ecosystem.

htrp 3y ago

> Microsoft, in relative terms, is executing on all of the above and has been for a while. They are and copilot for office still is atrocious. However, they are learning and developing what should be the new interfaces for AI enabled productivity.

sirspacey 3y ago
Yes we’re also betting Microsoft will do it and it will suck. So far, not a risky bet.