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>you'll wonder what's wrong the people who are still using their phone and laptop at coffee shop i'll wonder why they are at coffee shop, just like i would to

>you'll wonder what's wrong the people who are still using their phone and laptop at coffee shop i'll wonder why they are at coffee shop, just like i would today

vsnf 3y ago
Hold on, you wonder, presently, why people go to coffee shops with laptops?
- Zetobal 3y ago
  Are we talking about the physical burden of taking a desktop or are we talking about why it's not a good work environment?
  - vsnf 3y ago
    Laptops, not desktops. Lugging a desktop around would certainly be worthy of an eyebrow raise. As for why it's not a good work environment, you've presented a loaded question. It may not be a good environment for you, but it is for me. To presume it uniformly bad is a starting off with a flawed premise.
    - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
      It's a bad working environment for one reason: It's to noisy and one gets distracted easily. Even if you say it's good for you, you might not notice it. Keep it real. Just think and tell, why you're not everyday working in such an environment, but rather occasionally and on special days "must be there". And on other days you choose to work from somewhere else. I can tell you: if you have a task you need concentration for, you won't go to a Cafe. You won't even think of going into one. You'll go there where it's calm. Even a writer that scouts for inspiration won't be in a noisy environment after he found it. Analyze your last week's if you want so :) The best one's are the ones with noise cancelling sitting in Starbucks with their laptop. I understand it's a necessity for traveling workers and there's may be no other option for them ftm. I can't tell the difference between traveling/not traveling.. But others can :)
      - vsnf 3y ago
        No, it's a bad working environment for you, and I'd appreciate if you didn't condescend me with smiley faces and presume to make declarations about my productivity on my behalf. > Just think and tell, why you're not everyday working in such an environment, But I am. >And on other days you choose to work from somewhere else. I do not. > Analyze your last week's if you want so :) I did. I was at various cafes 6 of the last 7 days. I would be less productive at home, or any other quiet, non-energetic environment. I would know, I've tried and hated it. I respect that this is a somewhat unorthodox approach to a working environment and may be difficult to comprehend, but what is true for you is not some global truth you can apply to the rest of us unconditionally.
        theGeatZhopa 3y ago
        Why so aggressive? Like my girlfriend who each time listens music with earphones while learning things for her exams with exactly the same arguments like you - like "it's your problem, not my", "I can't learn without music", "I learn faster with music" ... It's ok. It's her choice. I see her switching each few tenth seconds, sometimes also a "not that song again" can be heard. She's distracted every now and then and - that - she don't realize, because it's against "her experiences" that are based on "her experiences" which has listening to music as basis. She might be productive in her eyes, but I see her distracted every few seconds for a few seconds to a few mins searching for the right song to learn. She might say "I learned much more while listening to music", but I see she learns more faster, when she learns with some other in a quiet environment. It's a fact. No matter what you do or what you feel like, our brains are the same. We only can keep up 10mins of pure concentration without distractions, then we need a short pause. The same applies to learning things effectively, especially if you try to understand smthg. The biggest brainer here: to recognize this and being able to see, that pure concentration can't be achieved in a soundy/loud environment because our brain is always working and filtering the visual/background noise information around us for danger. This costs attention and we get lightly distracted by some unfamiliar sound, like some one swirling the tea spoon in the teacup. This applies if some brain doesn't have the Attention Deficit Syndrome, where you can't keep your attention to one thing for a few seconds. This brains have a problem to concentrate anyway and never experience nor have the need for a quiet surrounding. But this can't be compared then, as it's a special case and the majority do not have this condition. So with a smile face, you either have a lack of self reflection on that topic and talk out of experiences, which you made and which happens to be "typically in a cafe" or you have some sort of concentration problems anyway. I can tell you - when I was a student, my best study friend and me, we prepared our exams in loud environments and in quiet ones. We learned at a busy McDonald's from 10 am 'til 6pm. While it was very cool and productive - self reflection tells me it wasn't. It was all the light stuff we did in noisy environments. But the heavy stuff has been lifted in the night time like 1 am in the university - where it happened to be quit. Of course, also the noisy environments yielded good results - but I don't lie to myself, they could've been better with me doing quiet learning instead doing enjoyable learning. So take it like you want, you can't talk away science. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/#:~:text=Noise%20as%20a%20sensory%20stimulus,the%20performance%20of%20attentional%20functions https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/#:~:tex.... It's a kind of a "religion talk" talking that kind of topics - because it's hard for us to reflect the bad things and to admit one's wrongs. Its difficult to look at it unbiased :) with a smily face sliding out of the discussion.
    - Zetobal 3y ago
      I totally depends on your work. A coffee shop is probably a pretty good work environment for a barista but there are certainly better work environments for most developers.
  - earthwalker99 3y ago
    People with laptops go to coffee shops to drink coffee and share the company of other people. You can't do that with a vision pro.
    - spacemadness 3y ago
      I realize now how long it’s been since I heard this argument. I don’t fully disagree to be clear—as when everyone in the coffee shop is on a laptop it starts to feel odd and sterile; I’m basically in a corporate office. But it seems to have gone way of the “I can’t stand people using phones on the bus/train.”

>you'll wonder what's wrong the people who are still using their phone and laptop at coffee shop i'll wonder why they are at coffee shop, just like i would today

vsnf 3y ago

Hold on, you wonder, presently, why people go to coffee shops with laptops?

Zetobal 3y ago
Are we talking about the physical burden of taking a desktop or are we talking about why it's not a good work environment?
- vsnf 3y ago
  Laptops, not desktops. Lugging a desktop around would certainly be worthy of an eyebrow raise. As for why it's not a good work environment, you've presented a loaded question. It may not be a good environment for you, but it is for me. To presume it uniformly bad is a starting off with a flawed premise.
  - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
    It's a bad working environment for one reason: It's to noisy and one gets distracted easily. Even if you say it's good for you, you might not notice it. Keep it real. Just think and tell, why you're not everyday working in such an environment, but rather occasionally and on special days "must be there". And on other days you choose to work from somewhere else. I can tell you: if you have a task you need concentration for, you won't go to a Cafe. You won't even think of going into one. You'll go there where it's calm. Even a writer that scouts for inspiration won't be in a noisy environment after he found it. Analyze your last week's if you want so :) The best one's are the ones with noise cancelling sitting in Starbucks with their laptop. I understand it's a necessity for traveling workers and there's may be no other option for them ftm. I can't tell the difference between traveling/not traveling.. But others can :)
    - vsnf 3y ago
      No, it's a bad working environment for you, and I'd appreciate if you didn't condescend me with smiley faces and presume to make declarations about my productivity on my behalf. > Just think and tell, why you're not everyday working in such an environment, But I am. >And on other days you choose to work from somewhere else. I do not. > Analyze your last week's if you want so :) I did. I was at various cafes 6 of the last 7 days. I would be less productive at home, or any other quiet, non-energetic environment. I would know, I've tried and hated it. I respect that this is a somewhat unorthodox approach to a working environment and may be difficult to comprehend, but what is true for you is not some global truth you can apply to the rest of us unconditionally.
      - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
        Why so aggressive? Like my girlfriend who each time listens music with earphones while learning things for her exams with exactly the same arguments like you - like "it's your problem, not my", "I can't learn without music", "I learn faster with music" ... It's ok. It's her choice. I see her switching each few tenth seconds, sometimes also a "not that song again" can be heard. She's distracted every now and then and - that - she don't realize, because it's against "her experiences" that are based on "her experiences" which has listening to music as basis. She might be productive in her eyes, but I see her distracted every few seconds for a few seconds to a few mins searching for the right song to learn. She might say "I learned much more while listening to music", but I see she learns more faster, when she learns with some other in a quiet environment. It's a fact. No matter what you do or what you feel like, our brains are the same. We only can keep up 10mins of pure concentration without distractions, then we need a short pause. The same applies to learning things effectively, especially if you try to understand smthg. The biggest brainer here: to recognize this and being able to see, that pure concentration can't be achieved in a soundy/loud environment because our brain is always working and filtering the visual/background noise information around us for danger. This costs attention and we get lightly distracted by some unfamiliar sound, like some one swirling the tea spoon in the teacup. This applies if some brain doesn't have the Attention Deficit Syndrome, where you can't keep your attention to one thing for a few seconds. This brains have a problem to concentrate anyway and never experience nor have the need for a quiet surrounding. But this can't be compared then, as it's a special case and the majority do not have this condition. So with a smile face, you either have a lack of self reflection on that topic and talk out of experiences, which you made and which happens to be "typically in a cafe" or you have some sort of concentration problems anyway. I can tell you - when I was a student, my best study friend and me, we prepared our exams in loud environments and in quiet ones. We learned at a busy McDonald's from 10 am 'til 6pm. While it was very cool and productive - self reflection tells me it wasn't. It was all the light stuff we did in noisy environments. But the heavy stuff has been lifted in the night time like 1 am in the university - where it happened to be quit. Of course, also the noisy environments yielded good results - but I don't lie to myself, they could've been better with me doing quiet learning instead doing enjoyable learning. So take it like you want, you can't talk away science. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/#:~:text=Noise%20as%20a%20sensory%20stimulus,the%20performance%20of%20attentional%20functions https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6901841/#:~:tex.... It's a kind of a "religion talk" talking that kind of topics - because it's hard for us to reflect the bad things and to admit one's wrongs. Its difficult to look at it unbiased :) with a smily face sliding out of the discussion.
  - Zetobal 3y ago
    I totally depends on your work. A coffee shop is probably a pretty good work environment for a barista but there are certainly better work environments for most developers.
- earthwalker99 3y ago
  People with laptops go to coffee shops to drink coffee and share the company of other people. You can't do that with a vision pro.
  - spacemadness 3y ago
    I realize now how long it’s been since I heard this argument. I don’t fully disagree to be clear—as when everyone in the coffee shop is on a laptop it starts to feel odd and sterile; I’m basically in a corporate office. But it seems to have gone way of the “I can’t stand people using phones on the bus/train.”