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The problem with your argument is that, for decades, congress has been passing and failing to update laws under the understanding that the courts would apply Ch
by hedora 3y ago
The problem with your argument is that, for decades, congress has been passing and failing to update laws under the understanding that the courts would apply Chevron deference.
If the courts decide to get rid of that, they're intentionally misinterpreting the laws that congress has passed over that time. They're also effectively rewriting a large fraction of US law, despite the fact that the constitution is carefully designed to prevent such a small group of (unelected or elected) people from modifying US law that quickly, and without safe guards.
The current Supreme Court has repeatedly undermined separation of powers, and they're explicitly doing so against the wishes of the electorate. Their behavior is fundamentally undemocratic.
- jakogut 3y ago> Their behavior is fundamentally undemocratic. Correct, because in the United States, our model of government is a Democratic Republic, not a democracy. For all of the flaws of our system of law, the Constitution is considered supreme, and any laws that violate the Constitution are to be considered null and void. The job of the Supreme Court is to decide the Constitutionality of laws. One interpretation of removing Chevron deference is that it's defacto rewriting law, another is that executive agencies have been doing this for decades already. The truth is probably some mix of the two.
- noobermin 3y ago>Constitution is considered supreme, and any laws that violate the Constitution are to be considered null and void. The job of the Supreme Court is to decide the Constitutionality of laws. A plain and non-ideological reading of what you typed is that this is a contradiction at best and saying the SCOTUS supersedes the constitution at worst.
- Wolfenstein98k 3y agoOnly if you presuppose that the agency is always right. Agencies are often wrong and sometimes very seriously so. The FDA trying to take over regulation of tests is another example. There is a perfectly legitimate view that Chevron deference is - at least in some circumstances - not indefeasible.
- yieldcrv 3y agoAt worst yes, the difficulty of overriding them via constitutional amendment or a restructured law is a vulnerability of our system But the paradox is that is part of the constitution too. There are several creatures of the constitution that supersede the constitution. Treaties can.
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- faramarz 3y agoUndemocratic or capitalistic but with a cap? If it were such that individual states with greater agency could negatively impact neighbouring states and in Chevrons original case, environment and agriculture, then it’s a dangerous precedent of opening up states to competitive market at the detriment greater societal impact and responsibilities. Both positive and negative but the incentives are there to push towards later in pursuit of fast profits and deferred responsibilities. Am I making sense? States can compete for corporate interests, while we know full well who runs the senate: lobbyists with deep pockets.
- remarkEon 3y ago>The problem with your argument is that, for decades, congress has been passing and failing to update laws under the understanding that the courts would apply Chevron deference. It is literally the job of Congress to update laws. That they are bad at doing that is not relevant to the place of the Court in the structure of this country's government. >If the courts decide to get rid of that, they're intentionally misinterpreting the laws that congress has passed over that time. The opposite of this is true. If the Court decides to jettison Chevron deference (you should look in to why that case is called "Chevron") it means that gasp our legislators have to actually listen to constituents and write laws and not just bet that the executive branch in the next election cycle agrees with them.
- alistairSH 3y agoThat’s not quite true. Overturning Chevron means federal courts no longer have to give deference to agency experts. Unelected judges will have free rein to impose their own views in these cases. Nothing about Chevron will force Congress to write more precise laws.
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- dvdkon 3y agoCourts acting as authorities of last appeal doesn't sound like some class of people imposing their views. They're just doing their jobs, and I don't see why they should be less trustworthy than (also unelected) bureaucrats.
- runako 3y agoIt's less about being more or less trustworthy and more about spheres of competence. Judges are experts on the laws that are written, but they cannot be experts in all the areas Congress requires regulation. People are not interchangeable: if you take a financial regulatory expert from SEC and move them to FDA and ask them to regulate drug adjuvants, you're not going to get great results. Dropping Chevron would put judges in the position of being experts in all the fields where Congress requires regulation.
- PM_me_your_math 3y ago[dead]