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> What would be okay is to ban the use of an F0 to steal a car. Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you

> What would be okay is to ban the use of an F0 to steal a car. Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith.

user_7832 3y ago
> Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith. That's interesting, here in the Netherlands I believe you can carry them about and use them, but of course only with permission of the lock owner.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  It makes no sense anyway. Burglars don't use lockpics. They don't care about doing damage and do care about speed so they just use a crowbar which even doubles as a weapon if someone's home. Banning lockpics is just security theater and does nothing to reduce burglaries. Bump keys are also much more effective by the way. And look like normal keys to the uninitiated.
mistercheph 3y ago
Forgive me if as an American I hold up the English people and their government as a model of how a free and democratic nation ought not to be.
- transcriptase 3y ago
  Oi you got a loicence for that opinion?
- melevittfl 3y ago
  Yeah, but we can freely buy and eat chocolate Kinder eggs.
  - flir 3y ago
    "Don't put small inedible things inside edible things" doesn't sound like a bad rule to me, to be honest.
    - firebat45 3y ago
      OTOH, how many children got Kinder Eggs ~without~ knowing that there was a small plastic toy inside? That was kind of the whole gimmick. Also, there have been 9 reported deaths worldwide that have been linked to choking on the toy inside a Kinder Egg. 7 Children in the US die ~every day~ from being shot. It seems pretty clear to me which one is a bigger issue.
      - flir 3y ago
        Hey, I'm not American, I just wish our food adulteration laws were as comprehensive as theirs.
- stavros 3y ago
  This comment is basically "I see UK, I downvote". Zero relevance to the point that was being made, just wanted to say "US > UK".
  - mistercheph 3y ago
    GP comment was basically just, "The UK would do it." Zero relevance to the point being made besides "what UK does = good idea". So I responded in kind by registering my opinion that "what UK does = bad idea".
    - stavros 3y ago
      The GP said that carrying them should be banned, and provided an example of how carrying lockpicks is banned in the UK.
patmcc 3y ago
I quite like being able to carry the things I (legally!) own, as long as my intent is innocent. I should damn well be able to carry lockpicks or an F0 or a pocket knife without it being assumed I'm a criminal.
tamimio 3y ago
> Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. The whole purpose of this device is to carry it and the portability aspect, else I will use my other powerful SDR.. I have many fobs that I would like to keep em all in one device than carrying the hardware for each, plus backing it up. UK, a country that still requires licenses for a TV isn’t a good example in your case.
- flir 3y ago
  Nice pivot to a strawman at the end there. UK could be demanding licenses for carrying cucumbers, it wouldn't affect his analogy.
- ryan-c 3y ago
  The UK does not require a license for a TV. They require a license to receive live television broadcasts (regardless of medium) and/or use BBC iPlayer. Watching C-SPAN's live stream on your laptop would, for example, require a TV license, whereas watching Netflix or playing video games using a TV as a display would not. The definition of "live television broadcast" is somewhat vague, and is essentially "duck typed". The BBC has said an online tv channel would count whereas watching streamers on Twitch wouldn't. Also, the license covers the address, but there are weird exceptions, such as when watching on a laptop whether that laptop is plugged in or not. (I live in the UK, and have informed TV licencing that my address does not require a license so they will stop wasting paper by sending threatening letters)

user_7832 3y ago

> Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith. That's interesting, here in the Netherlands I believe you can carry them about and use them, but of course only with permission of the lock owner.

wkat4242 3y ago
It makes no sense anyway. Burglars don't use lockpics. They don't care about doing damage and do care about speed so they just use a crowbar which even doubles as a weapon if someone's home. Banning lockpics is just security theater and does nothing to reduce burglaries. Bump keys are also much more effective by the way. And look like normal keys to the uninitiated.

mistercheph 3y ago

Forgive me if as an American I hold up the English people and their government as a model of how a free and democratic nation ought not to be.

transcriptase 3y ago
Oi you got a loicence for that opinion?
melevittfl 3y ago
Yeah, but we can freely buy and eat chocolate Kinder eggs.
- flir 3y ago
  "Don't put small inedible things inside edible things" doesn't sound like a bad rule to me, to be honest.
  - firebat45 3y ago
    OTOH, how many children got Kinder Eggs ~without~ knowing that there was a small plastic toy inside? That was kind of the whole gimmick. Also, there have been 9 reported deaths worldwide that have been linked to choking on the toy inside a Kinder Egg. 7 Children in the US die ~every day~ from being shot. It seems pretty clear to me which one is a bigger issue.
    - flir 3y ago
      Hey, I'm not American, I just wish our food adulteration laws were as comprehensive as theirs.
stavros 3y ago
This comment is basically "I see UK, I downvote". Zero relevance to the point that was being made, just wanted to say "US > UK".
- mistercheph 3y ago
  GP comment was basically just, "The UK would do it." Zero relevance to the point being made besides "what UK does = good idea". So I responded in kind by registering my opinion that "what UK does = bad idea".
  - stavros 3y ago
    The GP said that carrying them should be banned, and provided an example of how carrying lockpicks is banned in the UK.

patmcc 3y ago

I quite like being able to carry the things I (legally!) own, as long as my intent is innocent. I should damn well be able to carry lockpicks or an F0 or a pocket knife without it being assumed I'm a criminal.

tamimio 3y ago

> Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. The whole purpose of this device is to carry it and the portability aspect, else I will use my other powerful SDR.. I have many fobs that I would like to keep em all in one device than carrying the hardware for each, plus backing it up. UK, a country that still requires licenses for a TV isn’t a good example in your case.

flir 3y ago
Nice pivot to a strawman at the end there. UK could be demanding licenses for carrying cucumbers, it wouldn't affect his analogy.
ryan-c 3y ago
The UK does not require a license for a TV. They require a license to receive live television broadcasts (regardless of medium) and/or use BBC iPlayer. Watching C-SPAN's live stream on your laptop would, for example, require a TV license, whereas watching Netflix or playing video games using a TV as a display would not. The definition of "live television broadcast" is somewhat vague, and is essentially "duck typed". The BBC has said an online tv channel would count whereas watching streamers on Twitch wouldn't. Also, the license covers the address, but there are weird exceptions, such as when watching on a laptop whether that laptop is plugged in or not. (I live in the UK, and have informed TV licencing that my address does not require a license so they will stop wasting paper by sending threatening letters)