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It would be a lot simpler to just ban DRM, and allow digital copying for personal use. I don't expect it to happen any time soon, but I can dream.

CamperBob2 3y ago
We don't need to ban DRM, we just need to force content providers to choose between technical and legal means of copyright protection. They should not be permitted to use both, because DRM amounts in practice to theft from the (eventual) public domain.
- Retr0id 3y ago
  Yeah, I agree with that, and was going to add an edit to that effect but I guess I forgot. The way things are currently, the legal protections are stronger than the technical protections. I think it's much more realistic for legislation to be updated to allow copying for personal use, than it is for DRM to be banned outright.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  > We don't need to ban DRM, we just need to force content providers to choose between technical and legal means of copyright protection. This is not even interesting because in practice all of the DRM is broken. The actual problem is that we have tools that prohibit circumventing DRM even when the copy is not an infringement of copyright (e.g. fair use) and that prohibit distribution of circumvention tools even if they're not used for copyright infringement, e.g. because the same DRM system is being maliciously applied to works already in the public domain. Or -- and this is the real reason this garbage is on the books -- the DRM is being used for anti-competitive purposes rather than to prevent copying. Because it doesn't prevent copying (evidence: all the content being on all the piracy sites), but it does prevent a legitimate competitor who actually cares about complying with the law from doing interoperability things that are not an infringement of copyright but are a violation of the DMCA.
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- notfed 3y ago
  We don't need to ban DRM, we need to unban DRM-circumventon. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention

CamperBob2 3y ago

We don't need to ban DRM, we just need to force content providers to choose between technical and legal means of copyright protection. They should not be permitted to use both, because DRM amounts in practice to theft from the (eventual) public domain.

Retr0id 3y ago
Yeah, I agree with that, and was going to add an edit to that effect but I guess I forgot. The way things are currently, the legal protections are stronger than the technical protections. I think it's much more realistic for legislation to be updated to allow copying for personal use, than it is for DRM to be banned outright.
AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> We don't need to ban DRM, we just need to force content providers to choose between technical and legal means of copyright protection. This is not even interesting because in practice all of the DRM is broken. The actual problem is that we have tools that prohibit circumventing DRM even when the copy is not an infringement of copyright (e.g. fair use) and that prohibit distribution of circumvention tools even if they're not used for copyright infringement, e.g. because the same DRM system is being maliciously applied to works already in the public domain. Or -- and this is the real reason this garbage is on the books -- the DRM is being used for anti-competitive purposes rather than to prevent copying. Because it doesn't prevent copying (evidence: all the content being on all the piracy sites), but it does prevent a legitimate competitor who actually cares about complying with the law from doing interoperability things that are not an infringement of copyright but are a violation of the DMCA.
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notfed 3y ago
We don't need to ban DRM, we need to unban DRM-circumventon. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention