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Canada has totally lost its way. Housing is a massive issue. Healthcare is under constant attack. Immigration is used to prop up a failing economy. We don’t re

Canada has totally lost its way. Housing is a massive issue. Healthcare is under constant attack. Immigration is used to prop up a failing economy. We don’t really make anything. Wages are lower than the US just because. There’s no negotiating power. The dollar is weak. We can’t extract most of the available resources because of the weather and environmental concerns. The praries are being sold off to foreign investors. The smartest and most educated leave. Starting to feel like a fool for sticking around.

thsksbd 3y ago
Is you're from the GTA come to Pittsburgh. You're still close to family and friends and there's a tech scene (if you're into that)
- AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
  OTOH, if you're from GTA come to Philadelphia. It's basically GTA but weirder and with more bicycle related chaos.
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    Haha. Unfortunately I think Philly is more dysfunctional than GTA. Perhaps the greatest of American cities.
mhb 3y ago
Pretty cold too.
dghughes 3y ago
If you think it's that bad I say (not in a snarky way) go but I'm not sure where. By your tone I suspect the EU is not your cup of tea. I think you're wrong I mean we have problems but so do all countries now healthcare is a worldwide issue. And just look south it's a mess politically and socially (sorry USA!). Even the EU is under strain among its members.
- brailsafe 3y ago
  Not OP but did add my own take in a sibling comment; as much as I tend to enjoy my time in the states, I just don't like the vibe as much, and there's a subtle but noticable relief I get when I return home. Maybe it's the airport terminals that make me feel as though I'm appealing to get out of prison every time I have to layover there.
  - slily 3y ago
    Some places I've lived in the US made me wish to return to Canada, others made me thankful I didn't. If you've never lived there long-term of course it won't feel like home. I know it's tempting to make excuses for the place you live, but I think you're downplaying the damage that Trudeau's government has done to the country. The US has its issues too, but greater state independence and a stronger constitution help.
    - brailsafe 3y ago
      I certainly wouldn't suggest such a move would be broadly regrettable, but don't agree with the implication that I'm making excuses. Many people are attracted to the subtle cultural, political, and financial differences the U.S provides, some aren't, and that's ok. The countries and people are more similar than they are different. The problems Canada is currently facing though is partially to do with stagnant cultural values (that are also more similar to the U.S than different) and deeply flawed policy at multiple levels of governance both current and historical, and Trudeau but he's just the latest. A nation is more than it's current set of politicians though—obviously also true of the U.S—and to leave for more money would mean I'd be dismissing the factors that exist despite the bureaucracy. It just depends what your personal circumstances are whether that's a reasonable deal or not, and it's not for me to judge one way or another. If I could make U.S software money from Canada, it's a no-brainer, I just can't and wouldn't really want to live there long-term. The outcome I could hypothetically have doesn't seem all that compelling, but it probably does for a great number of people for obvious reasons. For me though, there's something a bit too intensely capitalist I guess that rubs me the wrong way. So many things and people are American size, and super, and mega, and excessive, and seemingly lacking nuance in a way I just don't like. I do get used to it and forget I'm there, and always enjoy the visit, but I can't see myself being there for more than 6 months.
brailsafe 3y ago
It's an obnoxiously tough time and it's easy to fall into a pit of despair regarding the decreasing availability of a prosperous future if you don't already have it, and all of those issues can be both interesting and depressing to think about. However, what we do have is a pretty welcoming, friendly, and adventurous population that's a great basis for building a home, even if that doesn't mean having a house. If you have no sentimental attachments, no social life, no outdoor hobbies, no family, no job, and no prospects for a job, all of those together are perfectly legitimate reasons for getting the hell out and seeking prosperity where it might actually be found. For me, I haven't had a job for almost a year, nobody's hiring, nobody will be hiring, rent is increasing, I'll almost certainly never own a home or be able to retire, and I don't think having kids would be feasible if I was set on it; all together, a miserable situation to be in. But... I do have friends, I have places to spend my time, I don't need to worry about medical expenses, I have a roof (for now), and I'm in better shape than many people in their early thirties. I like the vibe, and don't think I'd have better opportunities in those respects anywhere else. That said, I did already move for work once, and picked the most appealing place imo, so anywhere else would have to pass a very high bar in order to compete. I'm also relatively more outgoing and open than people who claim to want strong social lives, and am willing to put in the groundwork. If you're a lonely, socially anxious or inept person, or a sweaty careerist tryhard who doesn't take time away from work anyway, being here vs anywhere else probably won't be such a significant difference except a better account balance. Edit: I'd qualify my characterization of being welcoming, open, and adventurous, with the possible exception of smaller towns and cities where quite the opposite can be true. No so much because they don't like newcomers or because they're bigoted, but many people in those places—even if they're relatively cosmopolitan—haven't bothered to look beyond their high school friends for connection, even well into adulthood, and I've heard that can be quite difficult to break into. But I also don't think it's unique to Canada and it's a worthwhile experience to get the hell out of your hometown no matter where you're from by your mid-twenties I think, if even for a few years.
- vivekd 3y ago
  >For me, I haven't had a job for almost a year, nobody's hiring, nobody will be hiring, rent is increasing, I'll almost certainly never own a home or be able to retire, and I don't think having kids would be feasible if I was set on it; all together, a miserable situation to be in. But... I do have friends, I have places to spend my time, Im sorry but this is one of the saddest things I've ever read. As a Canadian of this was my experience of Canada I would be doing everything I could to get out. Thankfully it isn't yet, but things definitely are not looking good and I am worried about the future
shdh 3y ago
https://chanian.com/2010/08/01/tutorial-moving-from-canada-to-america-as-a-software-developer/ https://chanian.com/2010/08/01/tutorial-moving-from-canada-t...

thsksbd 3y ago

Is you're from the GTA come to Pittsburgh. You're still close to family and friends and there's a tech scene (if you're into that)

AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
OTOH, if you're from GTA come to Philadelphia. It's basically GTA but weirder and with more bicycle related chaos.
- thsksbd 3y ago
  Haha. Unfortunately I think Philly is more dysfunctional than GTA. Perhaps the greatest of American cities.

mhb 3y ago

Pretty cold too.

dghughes 3y ago

If you think it's that bad I say (not in a snarky way) go but I'm not sure where. By your tone I suspect the EU is not your cup of tea. I think you're wrong I mean we have problems but so do all countries now healthcare is a worldwide issue. And just look south it's a mess politically and socially (sorry USA!). Even the EU is under strain among its members.

brailsafe 3y ago
Not OP but did add my own take in a sibling comment; as much as I tend to enjoy my time in the states, I just don't like the vibe as much, and there's a subtle but noticable relief I get when I return home. Maybe it's the airport terminals that make me feel as though I'm appealing to get out of prison every time I have to layover there.
- slily 3y ago
  Some places I've lived in the US made me wish to return to Canada, others made me thankful I didn't. If you've never lived there long-term of course it won't feel like home. I know it's tempting to make excuses for the place you live, but I think you're downplaying the damage that Trudeau's government has done to the country. The US has its issues too, but greater state independence and a stronger constitution help.
  - brailsafe 3y ago
    I certainly wouldn't suggest such a move would be broadly regrettable, but don't agree with the implication that I'm making excuses. Many people are attracted to the subtle cultural, political, and financial differences the U.S provides, some aren't, and that's ok. The countries and people are more similar than they are different. The problems Canada is currently facing though is partially to do with stagnant cultural values (that are also more similar to the U.S than different) and deeply flawed policy at multiple levels of governance both current and historical, and Trudeau but he's just the latest. A nation is more than it's current set of politicians though—obviously also true of the U.S—and to leave for more money would mean I'd be dismissing the factors that exist despite the bureaucracy. It just depends what your personal circumstances are whether that's a reasonable deal or not, and it's not for me to judge one way or another. If I could make U.S software money from Canada, it's a no-brainer, I just can't and wouldn't really want to live there long-term. The outcome I could hypothetically have doesn't seem all that compelling, but it probably does for a great number of people for obvious reasons. For me though, there's something a bit too intensely capitalist I guess that rubs me the wrong way. So many things and people are American size, and super, and mega, and excessive, and seemingly lacking nuance in a way I just don't like. I do get used to it and forget I'm there, and always enjoy the visit, but I can't see myself being there for more than 6 months.

brailsafe 3y ago

It's an obnoxiously tough time and it's easy to fall into a pit of despair regarding the decreasing availability of a prosperous future if you don't already have it, and all of those issues can be both interesting and depressing to think about. However, what we do have is a pretty welcoming, friendly, and adventurous population that's a great basis for building a home, even if that doesn't mean having a house. If you have no sentimental attachments, no social life, no outdoor hobbies, no family, no job, and no prospects for a job, all of those together are perfectly legitimate reasons for getting the hell out and seeking prosperity where it might actually be found. For me, I haven't had a job for almost a year, nobody's hiring, nobody will be hiring, rent is increasing, I'll almost certainly never own a home or be able to retire, and I don't think having kids would be feasible if I was set on it; all together, a miserable situation to be in. But... I do have friends, I have places to spend my time, I don't need to worry about medical expenses, I have a roof (for now), and I'm in better shape than many people in their early thirties. I like the vibe, and don't think I'd have better opportunities in those respects anywhere else. That said, I did already move for work once, and picked the most appealing place imo, so anywhere else would have to pass a very high bar in order to compete. I'm also relatively more outgoing and open than people who claim to want strong social lives, and am willing to put in the groundwork. If you're a lonely, socially anxious or inept person, or a sweaty careerist tryhard who doesn't take time away from work anyway, being here vs anywhere else probably won't be such a significant difference except a better account balance. Edit: I'd qualify my characterization of being welcoming, open, and adventurous, with the possible exception of smaller towns and cities where quite the opposite can be true. No so much because they don't like newcomers or because they're bigoted, but many people in those places—even if they're relatively cosmopolitan—haven't bothered to look beyond their high school friends for connection, even well into adulthood, and I've heard that can be quite difficult to break into. But I also don't think it's unique to Canada and it's a worthwhile experience to get the hell out of your hometown no matter where you're from by your mid-twenties I think, if even for a few years.

vivekd 3y ago
>For me, I haven't had a job for almost a year, nobody's hiring, nobody will be hiring, rent is increasing, I'll almost certainly never own a home or be able to retire, and I don't think having kids would be feasible if I was set on it; all together, a miserable situation to be in. But... I do have friends, I have places to spend my time, Im sorry but this is one of the saddest things I've ever read. As a Canadian of this was my experience of Canada I would be doing everything I could to get out. Thankfully it isn't yet, but things definitely are not looking good and I am worried about the future

shdh 3y ago

https://chanian.com/2010/08/01/tutorial-moving-from-canada-to-america-as-a-software-developer/ https://chanian.com/2010/08/01/tutorial-moving-from-canada-t...