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Piracy should be more like joyriding[0] because the owner still has full control over the original :) > "joyriding is not considered to be theft because the in
by theshrike79 3y ago
Piracy should be more like joyriding[0] because the owner still has full control over the original :)
> "joyriding is not considered to be theft because the intent to "permanently deprive" the vehicle's owner of the vehicle cannot be proven"
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyride_(crime) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyride_(crime)
- Terr_ 3y agoThat's still too pejorative, since there's no deprivation of possession/usage at all, not even temporarily. Ex: When someone starts playing a pirated copy at home, it doesn't cause their neighbors' copy of the same movie to become unusable for the duration.
- smcleod 3y agoJoyriding suggests someone who owns the product loses out - they don't.
- BadHumans 3y agoJust because you can't prove that the number of times something has been pirated is equal to the number of would be sales does not mean the person who owns the product doesn't lose out.
- Terr_ 3y agoParent-poster is talking about "losing out" in a specific way, where rights-holder copies would temporarily vanish or become unusable for some reason. (Which obviously doesn't happen.) That's rather different from the definition you're using, where "losing out" is much more expansive, including hypothetical decreases in potential future sales of new copies that haven't yet been manufactured.
- mr_toad 3y agoTrespass is the usual legal analogy, since you’re effectively using someone else’s property without permission.
- thfuran 3y agoBut it's on a computer, so that would be hacking, which is much more serious.
- mr_toad 3y agoThe “property” being trespassed on refers to the IP not the medium it resides on. Unless you hacked someone’s computer to get access to that IP, which is a whole other matter.
- shiroiuma 3y agoExcept you're not. You're using a copy of their property without permission. If I trespass into someone's house, it's invading their personal space. If they're in the house, it's invasive to them and alarming and would probably make them afraid that I intend violence. While in the house, I may damage things or cause disruption. However, if I use a device to create an alternate universe with a perfect copy of their house, without them inside (since it's my own private universe), and then I enter the house and do whatever in it, I'm not disrupting them at all. I'm not inside their house, I'm in my own copy of it in my own universe, and they don't even know. It doesn't affect them at all.
- mr_toad 3y agoIt’s not a copy of the copyright itself. The trespass is on the copyright, not the copy. The disruption the trespass causes is of their sole right to license that copyright.
- shiroiuma 3y agoThat sounds like overloading of the term "trespass" to me. The common definition is to physically go to places where you're not allowed to be.
- johnnyanmac 3y agonot overloaded, just an older (but official definition): archaic•literary commit an offense against (a person or a set of rules). But the word doesn't matter so much as the intent. If enough people just copy your product you cannot sell it. Or worse, others will sell it for pennies because they didn't spend any revenue so any money is profit. That's what's trying to be prevented.
- jojobas 3y agoJoyriding still deprives the owner of his property, even if temporarily. Piracy is more like retelling someone a book you've read than joyriding.
- grogenaut 3y agohave someone steal and abandon your car for a joyride and then tell me how you feel about joyriding not permanently depriving you of anything. you're still going to likely have to pay to pick it up from the impound, it'll be full of garbage or they'll have tossed your shit out. And then likely someone will have slept in it once they abandon it. You also won't likely have it for several days. Or you can be like my friend who was moving to chicago, and we were at the bar the night before saying good by. Look up at the tv and lo and behold there is his car in a police chase. Could have been any car but nope his stuff was in the back window. Stolen from outside the bar. In a high speed chase. Then we watched as they took aim at and t-boned a cop car. So the car was now totaled and a crime scene. Took him several weeks to get his stuff back and actually be able to move and start his job up in chicago.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoMaybe it's more like reading a newspaper over someone's shoulder, but in a sneaky fashion so they don't even know that you're doing it.