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like what? If you're gonna accuse a project of shady stuff, at least give examples :)

MOARDONGZPLZ 3y ago
The same examples given every time ollama is posted. Off the top of my head the installer silently adds login items with no way to opt out, spawns persistent processes in the background in addition to the application with unclear purposes, no info on install about the install itself, doesn’t let you back out of the installer when it requests admin access. Basically lots of dark patterns in the non-standard installer. Reminds me of how Zoom got it start with the “growth hacking” of the installation. Not enough to keep me from using it, but enough for me to keep from using it for anything serious or secure.
- v3ss0n 3y ago
  Show me the code
  - MOARDONGZPLZ 3y ago
    Install it on MacOs. Observe for yourself. This is a repeated problem mentioned in every thread. If you need help on the part about checking to see how many processes are running, let me know and I can assist. The rest are things you will observe, step by step, during the install process.
    - v3ss0n 3y ago
      Send me a MacOS first, we don't use mac here. If you can't find in foul play in code you can't prove.
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        That's a ridiculous requirement.
- Patrick_Devine 3y ago
  These are some fair points. There definitely wasn't an intention of "growth hacking", but just trying to get a lot of things done with only a few people in a short period of time. Requiring admin access really sucks though and is something we've wanted to get rid of for a while.
  - visarga 3y ago
    I am running ollama in the CLI, under screen, and always disable the ollama daemon. It's hard to configure, while CLI it is just adding a few env vars in front.
    - Patrick_Devine 3y ago
      We're planning to make it so you can change the env variables w/ the tray icon. The CLI will always work too though.
  - ehack 3y ago
    Please, as an old guy with great thanks for Ollama and great admiration for your abilities, I do feel creating an autorun login item should be something you tell the user you're doing, while giving a nutshell explanation, and opt-out.

The same examples given every time ollama is posted. Off the top of my head the installer silently adds login items with no way to opt out, spawns persistent processes in the background in addition to the application with unclear purposes, no info on install about the install itself, doesn’t let you back out of the installer when it requests admin access. Basically lots of dark patterns in the non-standard installer. Reminds me of how Zoom got it start with the “growth hacking” of the installation. Not enough to keep me from using it, but enough for me to keep from using it for anything serious or secure.

v3ss0n 3y ago
Show me the code
- MOARDONGZPLZ 3y ago
  Install it on MacOs. Observe for yourself. This is a repeated problem mentioned in every thread. If you need help on the part about checking to see how many processes are running, let me know and I can assist. The rest are things you will observe, step by step, during the install process.
  - v3ss0n 3y ago
    Send me a MacOS first, we don't use mac here. If you can't find in foul play in code you can't prove.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      That's a ridiculous requirement.
Patrick_Devine 3y ago
These are some fair points. There definitely wasn't an intention of "growth hacking", but just trying to get a lot of things done with only a few people in a short period of time. Requiring admin access really sucks though and is something we've wanted to get rid of for a while.
- visarga 3y ago
  I am running ollama in the CLI, under screen, and always disable the ollama daemon. It's hard to configure, while CLI it is just adding a few env vars in front.
  - Patrick_Devine 3y ago
    We're planning to make it so you can change the env variables w/ the tray icon. The CLI will always work too though.
- ehack 3y ago
  Please, as an old guy with great thanks for Ollama and great admiration for your abilities, I do feel creating an autorun login item should be something you tell the user you're doing, while giving a nutshell explanation, and opt-out.