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Every thread about Firefox there's a comment like this and I truly don't know if we're using the same browsers. Firefox keeps getting better and faster, while c

by rozap 3y ago

Every thread about Firefox there's a comment like this and I truly don't know if we're using the same browsers. Firefox keeps getting better and faster, while chrome is getting more bloated and aggravating.

KingOfCoders 3y ago
"better" What does better mean? What is better in the last 10 years? And I'm not trolling, I'm interested in what 10 things FF got better for you in the last 10 years. Say, I have been buying on Amazon 10 years ago using FF. In which ways has FF made that better or easier for me as a user? Can't think of anything with Amazon. The only things I can think of: More secure when misclicking somewhere and better video on Youtube.
- saint_fiasco 3y ago
  Firefox's built in password manager is pretty good, ten years ago you had to install a separate extension for that. The synchronization of browser tabs and history across devices is also very good nowadays, so if you look at some product on Amazon with your phone on the way home, you can continue the same browsing session on your regular PC right away. There are also multiple profiles. That helps in case you have multiple Amazon accounts like one for shopping, one to mooch off your cousin's prime video subscription, and one to work with the AWS console for your workplace. I think you couldn't do that out of the box 10 years ago.
  - KingOfCoders 3y ago
    Good points, I concede for some users and perhaps the majority there is progress. (For me - and probably many others - though I use 1password since the beginning, have 50 tabs open so sync is a challenge and never understood to use the profiles, perhaps I'm too stupid or the UI is bad) When it came out I thought profiles was a good idea, eager to use it, but it's often difficult to say what is in what profile. AWS is clear, and banking, but reading some articles? For me to work the UI would need to be smooth so I don't need to switch profiles just because something is in the other. Perhaps I'm not focused enough ;-) It then was too complicated for me to use and switch and I dropped it. Writing this in FF, where would I need to click to switch profiles? I have a drop down on the right (it's not in there), I have a drop down on the left (also no profiles), I have a menu at the top(can't find it there) and a drop down in my sidebar (no profiles in there).
    - schmorptron 3y ago
      Sync has no problem with lots of tabs - I routinely have multiple hundred open on multiple devices and firefox sync just does it's thing without complaining.
    - iamawacko 3y ago
      I have, at this moment, 5501 tabs open. Sync does just fine.
      - KingOfCoders 3y ago
        How do you work with 5501 synced tabs on your phone? I didn't mean technically but UI? I have a 38" on my desktop which is 30x (?) larger than my phone?
        adolph 3y ago
        In Brave one can press command-shift-a to get a search bar for your open tabs. Otherwise I periodically consolidate similar tabs into same windows. It would be nice to have an ontological browser for tabs but search is normally sufficient. On a phone iOS Safari has “tab groups” that effectively act as windows in a desktop browser. It also has a tab search feature.
        iamawacko 3y ago
        On my phone, I'll just open a new tab and not even bother trying to get to the other tabs. The syncing is more phone -> computer than the other way around. And, beyond that, syncing is more useful for me for between computers.
    - seabass-labrax 3y ago
      It is an extension for Firefox, but one created by Mozilla. It's official in that sense, but it does seem a little strange it's not included by default. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/multi-account-conta...
    - zzxcvb 3y ago
- orthecreedence 3y ago
  Multi-account containers are a feature I use tirelessly. Standardized add-ons are great too, so people can release one add-on and hit multiple browsers. I also really like Firefox sync for sending bookmarks/tabs between devices. Firefox is also extremely fast nwadays, and comparatively easy on system memory. These are things that have improved in the last decade. I also like the fact that FF isn't owned by an Ad company that pushes binaries supposedly built from an open-source project controlled by an Ad company.
  - NamTaf 3y ago
    Containers and first-party isolation in FF are my killer features. Echoing your comments to the GP post, that didn't exist a decade ago and is genuinely one of the best improvements they've made in that time.
    - int_19h 3y ago
      I just wish they made vertical tabs built-in. Or at least made enough UI hooks that extensions could do it properly (instead of duplicating the tab bar via side panels).
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        Yes, that's a major irritation. Or at least allow me to switch off the built in tabs when I have an extension that provides that functionality. It would be absolutely trivial to do so.
- rvba 3y ago
  Better video on youtube? Youtube works like shit on firefox. Open 20 tabs and you get delays. (probably intentional gutting by google)
  - executesorder66 3y ago
    On my one PC I have a Firefox instance with over 2500 tabs open. I'd guess about 5% of those are youtube. I often open a string of 30+ tabs of youtube to watch in one go, and it works fine for me.
- rozap 3y ago
  * sync of tabs and passwords across devices __that always works__ * multi account containers * better implementation of standards than chrome (i swear to god chrome date pickers...) * cool privacy features like blocking facebook properties, email relays, etc * smaller memory footprint than competitors to your point about things being worse than they were 10 years ago, in part i agree. the web as a whole has gotten much more bloated and frustrating than it was a decade ago. pages take gobs of bandwidth and memory, everything is in a walled garden or infected with facebook's tentacles. in terms of experience, imo it's really hard to separate the browser from the browsed because the end result is that the experience of using the web in 2024 is downright unpleasant, where it wasn't really before, but i just don't see that as mozilla's fault. i think without mozilla it would be even worse, and it can always get worse...
jacquesm 3y ago
The FF I used a decade ago was far more embedded and matched to my workflow than the present day one, including more efficient use of screen real estate and far more powerful plug ins. As far as I'm concerned it's been a slow and steady slide backwards. Yes, it's more secure (probably) and it is faster (but I don't notice that all that much because I very aggressively block bloat on the sites I visit).

by rozap 3y ago

KingOfCoders 3y ago

"better" What does better mean? What is better in the last 10 years? And I'm not trolling, I'm interested in what 10 things FF got better for you in the last 10 years. Say, I have been buying on Amazon 10 years ago using FF. In which ways has FF made that better or easier for me as a user? Can't think of anything with Amazon. The only things I can think of: More secure when misclicking somewhere and better video on Youtube.

saint_fiasco 3y ago
Firefox's built in password manager is pretty good, ten years ago you had to install a separate extension for that. The synchronization of browser tabs and history across devices is also very good nowadays, so if you look at some product on Amazon with your phone on the way home, you can continue the same browsing session on your regular PC right away. There are also multiple profiles. That helps in case you have multiple Amazon accounts like one for shopping, one to mooch off your cousin's prime video subscription, and one to work with the AWS console for your workplace. I think you couldn't do that out of the box 10 years ago.
- KingOfCoders 3y ago
  Good points, I concede for some users and perhaps the majority there is progress. (For me - and probably many others - though I use 1password since the beginning, have 50 tabs open so sync is a challenge and never understood to use the profiles, perhaps I'm too stupid or the UI is bad) When it came out I thought profiles was a good idea, eager to use it, but it's often difficult to say what is in what profile. AWS is clear, and banking, but reading some articles? For me to work the UI would need to be smooth so I don't need to switch profiles just because something is in the other. Perhaps I'm not focused enough ;-) It then was too complicated for me to use and switch and I dropped it. Writing this in FF, where would I need to click to switch profiles? I have a drop down on the right (it's not in there), I have a drop down on the left (also no profiles), I have a menu at the top(can't find it there) and a drop down in my sidebar (no profiles in there).
  - schmorptron 3y ago
    Sync has no problem with lots of tabs - I routinely have multiple hundred open on multiple devices and firefox sync just does it's thing without complaining.
  - iamawacko 3y ago
    I have, at this moment, 5501 tabs open. Sync does just fine.
    - KingOfCoders 3y ago
      How do you work with 5501 synced tabs on your phone? I didn't mean technically but UI? I have a 38" on my desktop which is 30x (?) larger than my phone?
      - adolph 3y ago
        In Brave one can press command-shift-a to get a search bar for your open tabs. Otherwise I periodically consolidate similar tabs into same windows. It would be nice to have an ontological browser for tabs but search is normally sufficient. On a phone iOS Safari has “tab groups” that effectively act as windows in a desktop browser. It also has a tab search feature.
      - iamawacko 3y ago
        On my phone, I'll just open a new tab and not even bother trying to get to the other tabs. The syncing is more phone -> computer than the other way around. And, beyond that, syncing is more useful for me for between computers.
  - seabass-labrax 3y ago
    It is an extension for Firefox, but one created by Mozilla. It's official in that sense, but it does seem a little strange it's not included by default. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/multi-account-conta...
  - zzxcvb 3y ago
orthecreedence 3y ago
Multi-account containers are a feature I use tirelessly. Standardized add-ons are great too, so people can release one add-on and hit multiple browsers. I also really like Firefox sync for sending bookmarks/tabs between devices. Firefox is also extremely fast nwadays, and comparatively easy on system memory. These are things that have improved in the last decade. I also like the fact that FF isn't owned by an Ad company that pushes binaries supposedly built from an open-source project controlled by an Ad company.
- NamTaf 3y ago
  Containers and first-party isolation in FF are my killer features. Echoing your comments to the GP post, that didn't exist a decade ago and is genuinely one of the best improvements they've made in that time.
  - int_19h 3y ago
    I just wish they made vertical tabs built-in. Or at least made enough UI hooks that extensions could do it properly (instead of duplicating the tab bar via side panels).
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      Yes, that's a major irritation. Or at least allow me to switch off the built in tabs when I have an extension that provides that functionality. It would be absolutely trivial to do so.
rvba 3y ago
Better video on youtube? Youtube works like shit on firefox. Open 20 tabs and you get delays. (probably intentional gutting by google)
- executesorder66 3y ago
  On my one PC I have a Firefox instance with over 2500 tabs open. I'd guess about 5% of those are youtube. I often open a string of 30+ tabs of youtube to watch in one go, and it works fine for me.
rozap 3y ago
* sync of tabs and passwords across devices __that always works__ * multi account containers * better implementation of standards than chrome (i swear to god chrome date pickers...) * cool privacy features like blocking facebook properties, email relays, etc * smaller memory footprint than competitors to your point about things being worse than they were 10 years ago, in part i agree. the web as a whole has gotten much more bloated and frustrating than it was a decade ago. pages take gobs of bandwidth and memory, everything is in a walled garden or infected with facebook's tentacles. in terms of experience, imo it's really hard to separate the browser from the browsed because the end result is that the experience of using the web in 2024 is downright unpleasant, where it wasn't really before, but i just don't see that as mozilla's fault. i think without mozilla it would be even worse, and it can always get worse...

jacquesm 3y ago

The FF I used a decade ago was far more embedded and matched to my workflow than the present day one, including more efficient use of screen real estate and far more powerful plug ins. As far as I'm concerned it's been a slow and steady slide backwards. Yes, it's more secure (probably) and it is faster (but I don't notice that all that much because I very aggressively block bloat on the sites I visit).