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I don't think that's really fair to say that. Things really need to stop being about man versus woman, and more about the actual facts. Like who's actually bigg

I don't think that's really fair to say that. Things really need to stop being about man versus woman, and more about the actual facts. Like who's actually bigger (I know of men that were beaten by their wives.) That said... If you premeditate kill someone then you did NOT do it to protect yourself from harm. At that moment you can and should leave and get help from whoever can help you. Restraining orders to start off with, and carry a weapon around for self defense, entirely different then premeditated murder. That all said the current system is without a doubt messed up, our high crime rate is proof of that. What's scarier is how much crime goes un-caught.

Mz 14y ago
Unfortunately, the facts don't fit your idea of how things should work. One study found that women who killed their abusive husband were the most severely abused, the most isolated, and basically were all out of options. They often killed after being told something like "In the morning, I am going to kill you.", which they had every reason to believe was absolutely true. They had typically already tried counseling, leaving, restraining orders, you name it. They typically were also told things like "If you leave and I can't find you, I will instead kill...(some other loved one such as your mother or sister or our children)" I am not some man hating bitch. I'm quite fond of men. And I don't know how to fix this particular problem with the justice system. All I am saying is that doing time is not the ultimate proof that someone is depraved. It is more complicated than that. Peace and carry on. I am not interested in being nailed to the wall with ugly insinuations and it looks to me like that is where this is going/has already gone to some degree.
- jeremyarussell 14y ago
  I'd like to say that I'm sorry for saying anything that came across as me insinuating anything about you, that wasn't my point. My point is that the system is obviously flawed and that we need to work to get that fixed, this includes and is not limited to bringing anyone abusing their spouse to justice, so that no-one, man or woman, should ever suffer through it. (just one of the things that need fixed.) I think we think we aren't agreeing, when in reality we agree much more then we realize, but I digress. Someone having been to prison doesn't mean they are depraved, BUT and this is a part I agree is complicated, we as a society need to be sending only the truly depraved to prison. Otherwise it's not about keeping the rest of us safe, it's about something like money, or some such. Please accept my dearest apology, I don't mean to say that I'm sorry you were offended though, but to say that I'm sorry I said something offensive.
  - Mz 14y ago
    No big. Print is a tough way to communicate. Fwiw: I think a better answer lies in providing more support for children and families. I typically focus more on providing parenting advice to people with really challenging children in hope of preventing the types of problems that lead to criminal charges rather than addressing what to do after everything has gone wrong. However I am currently homeless, which has me spending more time around very poor people, many of whom have done time. And this crowd references prison differently than the middle and upper middle class people I typically have been surrounded by. Anyway, time to go eat. Have a great day.

Mz 14y ago

Unfortunately, the facts don't fit your idea of how things should work. One study found that women who killed their abusive husband were the most severely abused, the most isolated, and basically were all out of options. They often killed after being told something like "In the morning, I am going to kill you.", which they had every reason to believe was absolutely true. They had typically already tried counseling, leaving, restraining orders, you name it. They typically were also told things like "If you leave and I can't find you, I will instead kill...(some other loved one such as your mother or sister or our children)" I am not some man hating bitch. I'm quite fond of men. And I don't know how to fix this particular problem with the justice system. All I am saying is that doing time is not the ultimate proof that someone is depraved. It is more complicated than that. Peace and carry on. I am not interested in being nailed to the wall with ugly insinuations and it looks to me like that is where this is going/has already gone to some degree.

jeremyarussell 14y ago
I'd like to say that I'm sorry for saying anything that came across as me insinuating anything about you, that wasn't my point. My point is that the system is obviously flawed and that we need to work to get that fixed, this includes and is not limited to bringing anyone abusing their spouse to justice, so that no-one, man or woman, should ever suffer through it. (just one of the things that need fixed.) I think we think we aren't agreeing, when in reality we agree much more then we realize, but I digress. Someone having been to prison doesn't mean they are depraved, BUT and this is a part I agree is complicated, we as a society need to be sending only the truly depraved to prison. Otherwise it's not about keeping the rest of us safe, it's about something like money, or some such. Please accept my dearest apology, I don't mean to say that I'm sorry you were offended though, but to say that I'm sorry I said something offensive.
- Mz 14y ago
  No big. Print is a tough way to communicate. Fwiw: I think a better answer lies in providing more support for children and families. I typically focus more on providing parenting advice to people with really challenging children in hope of preventing the types of problems that lead to criminal charges rather than addressing what to do after everything has gone wrong. However I am currently homeless, which has me spending more time around very poor people, many of whom have done time. And this crowd references prison differently than the middle and upper middle class people I typically have been surrounded by. Anyway, time to go eat. Have a great day.