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I hope people are less judgmental and more compassionate toward my and your errors. Shaming, IME and in my belief, is a toxic act in service of the attacker; it
by wolverine876 3y ago
I hope people are less judgmental and more compassionate toward my and your errors. Shaming, IME and in my belief, is a toxic act in service of the attacker; it makes the situation worse, and even the attacker feels worse and is degraded (though they feel powerful).
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- wolverine876 3y ago> Get a fucking grip. Is that intended to be persuasive? Intimidating? Does it make the point stronger or weaker? Are we wiser for having read it? The unrestrained acting out is not reserved for Mitchell Baker.
- lannisterstark 3y ago>Is that intended to be persuasive? Intimidating? Does it make the point stronger or weaker? Are we wiser for having read it? Not OP, but it was probably intended for you to start discussing points in good faith.
- wolverine876 3y agoNow if I disagree, I'm not in good faith? You can't imagine someone has a valid, different point of view? If that's the their perspective, isn't that lacking in good faith?
- lannisterstark 3y ago>Now if I disagree, I'm not in good faith? It's not necessarily that, it's more like your points in the thread come across (to me at least) as a bit of sealioning. Not everything needs a "what if it was you in that position, your mom, your friend, your sister" POV. Sometimes people are just bad at their jobs, and it's ok to criticize them for it.
- wolverine876 3y ago> sealioning It's definition is, people raising questions about things that I believe are already established. But those are the most important questions. I'm aware that some people have judged and condemned Baker, but that's not persuasive or at all conclusive. Internet mob behavior - and it's clear in some of the responses in this thread and in others - is a signal of error, sometimes of very serious errors. Nobody (wise) ever said, 'this person is really angry and out of control; their analysis must be highly accurate and precise, and their judgment reliable.' There's also an element to the term's meaning of just asking questions endlessly, but I have expressed clear, strong opinions too.
- subtra3t 3y agoI'm not OP or the person you were responding to, but I do believe their points to have been made in good faith.
- subtra3t 3y agoNo need to be rude here. And I think Baker and people who know her well will be aware of "what she has done", not random commentators on the Internet.
- westhanover 3y agoShame is how our societies function. When someone acts outside of the norms of the society they are shamed. It is healthy and normal human behavior.
- wolverine876 3y agoMurder and violence and lots of other things also are involved in the functioning, but that doesn't make them good. What makes shame healthy? IME, and in the view of many experts, it generally has a poor effect. > When someone acts outside of the norms of the society they are shamed. Are the norms so sacrosanct? How do we innovate or have dissent?
- COGlory 3y agoEh this only goes so far. Obviously none of us are embedded into her brain and know exactly what she's thinking, but there's a huge difference between making a mistake because of a misjudgement, and siphoning money off while laying of developers. One of those is something that could happen to you or I, the other is something you or I would have to intentionally make happen.
- wolverine876 3y ago> siphoning money off That implies fraud. Was Baker ever accused of that? People are paid to manage organizations, which includes firing people. It's not a job failure necessarily. I do think Baker is/was overpaid.
- hoseja 3y agoDraining dozens of millions of dollars may have even worse effect on Firefox.