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Not necessarily. I firmly think we need a non-Chrome based alternative, and through actual use, think that current Firefox ain’t it.

derac 3y ago
I only use Firefox and it's great. I actually use Librewolf and it very rarely has issues with sites. What do you think is wrong with it?
- TylerE 3y ago
  If you only use Firefox how do you know that it's great? My general impression is that Firefox is lagging far behind in many areas. It hasn't gotten worse, probably gotten better, but the other players have gotten MUCH better.
  - derac 3y ago
    Oh I use Edge at work actually and Chrome when occassional things break (mostly Google services). I find them very much the same. What differences stand out to you?
  - CharlieDigital 3y ago
    I use Firefox for personal browsing on mobile and desktop. Chrome for work. I do not sense, in any way, any difference between the two in day-to-day and even during development. However, FF on Android has extensions and my mobile browsing experience is more or less ad-free with not much extra effort from me.
macNchz 3y ago
I've had Chrome, Safari, and Firefox open pretty much all day every day for the past decade+ and find them to be overwhelmingly alike. What is Firefox missing?
- TheCleric 3y ago
  This is a great question. A lot of it I can't quite put my finger on. It just felt off. Which makes it impossible for them to improve since it's not concrete. I know for a fact one of the things I hated was that I was hoping to get vertical tabs working, but the vertical tab extension I tried at the time felt clunky and only duplicated the tabs in both horizontal and vertical. To disable the horizontal I'd have to edit a custom css file. This all felt very amateur hour. And I think I even went through the effort of doing so and it broke something else in the process (possibly my fault). Admittedly I don't have a good solution for this even now in my daily driver (Ungoogled Chromium), so it's not a firm "They need to fix this." I think I was just turned off that a solution boiled down to "create a custom config file".
  - TylerE 3y ago
    At least on Mac, the font rendering is different. Hard to exactly quanify, but I'd say Firefox seems less crisp and also less bold/lighter weight. It's not night and day, but with your comment visible side by side in both they're clearly different _somehow_.
    - macNchz 3y ago
      Perhaps something particular to your machine...out of curiosity I overlaid screenshots of HN on both on Mac and Linux and the text was nearly pixel identical, though Firefox seemingly has a taller default paragraph line height than Chrome. There were a handful tiny differences in individual character rendering and spacing, but so minor as to be basically impossible to identify without quickly flipping back and forth between the overlaid layers while zoomed in.
      - TylerE 3y ago
        I don’t entirely trust screenshots for this sort of thing, S don’t funding is going on at the sub-pixel level.
  - derac 3y ago

derac 3y ago

I only use Firefox and it's great. I actually use Librewolf and it very rarely has issues with sites. What do you think is wrong with it?

TylerE 3y ago
If you only use Firefox how do you know that it's great? My general impression is that Firefox is lagging far behind in many areas. It hasn't gotten worse, probably gotten better, but the other players have gotten MUCH better.
- derac 3y ago
  Oh I use Edge at work actually and Chrome when occassional things break (mostly Google services). I find them very much the same. What differences stand out to you?
- CharlieDigital 3y ago
  I use Firefox for personal browsing on mobile and desktop. Chrome for work. I do not sense, in any way, any difference between the two in day-to-day and even during development. However, FF on Android has extensions and my mobile browsing experience is more or less ad-free with not much extra effort from me.

macNchz 3y ago

I've had Chrome, Safari, and Firefox open pretty much all day every day for the past decade+ and find them to be overwhelmingly alike. What is Firefox missing?

TheCleric 3y ago
This is a great question. A lot of it I can't quite put my finger on. It just felt off. Which makes it impossible for them to improve since it's not concrete. I know for a fact one of the things I hated was that I was hoping to get vertical tabs working, but the vertical tab extension I tried at the time felt clunky and only duplicated the tabs in both horizontal and vertical. To disable the horizontal I'd have to edit a custom css file. This all felt very amateur hour. And I think I even went through the effort of doing so and it broke something else in the process (possibly my fault). Admittedly I don't have a good solution for this even now in my daily driver (Ungoogled Chromium), so it's not a firm "They need to fix this." I think I was just turned off that a solution boiled down to "create a custom config file".
- TylerE 3y ago
  At least on Mac, the font rendering is different. Hard to exactly quanify, but I'd say Firefox seems less crisp and also less bold/lighter weight. It's not night and day, but with your comment visible side by side in both they're clearly different _somehow_.
  - macNchz 3y ago
    Perhaps something particular to your machine...out of curiosity I overlaid screenshots of HN on both on Mac and Linux and the text was nearly pixel identical, though Firefox seemingly has a taller default paragraph line height than Chrome. There were a handful tiny differences in individual character rendering and spacing, but so minor as to be basically impossible to identify without quickly flipping back and forth between the overlaid layers while zoomed in.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      I don’t entirely trust screenshots for this sort of thing, S don’t funding is going on at the sub-pixel level.
- derac 3y ago