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Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to b
by tarvaina 3y ago
Did I get this right?
Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini
Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini
Gemini – three things:
1. the name of their models (like GPT).
2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0.
3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace.
Gemini Advanced – the name of their paid service (like ChatGPT premium), gives access to both Pro 1.0 and Ultra 1.0
Ultra 1.0 – the first version of their big model (like GPT-4)
Pro 1.0 – the first version of their smaller model (like GPT-3.5)
Google One AI Premium – the subscription that you need to buy to have access to Gemini Advanced
Google One Premium – the old version of the subscription, does not include access to Gemini Advanced
Google app – the mobile phone app, which includes either Gemini or Gemini Advanced
Google Assistant – like Siri but hard to define what it is
Google AI – a generic name for all their AI products
- seydor 3y agobard(RIP) was powered by gemini which was powered by palm2 or something, which was powered by deepmind which was powered by google which was powered by alphabet or sth Let s hope the name sticks for more than 2 months
- riku_iki 3y agoand previously they were called lamda and meena..
- lordswork 3y agoI believe it went something like: 2017: Transformers invented 2018: BERT 2020: Meena 2021: LaMDa -> First model Bard was built on 2022: PaLM 2023: PaLM2 Late 2023: Gemini It probably would have been clearer if they used simple numerical versioning like OpenAI's GPT-{2,3,3.5,3}. I suppose the idea is to do that with Gemini now. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(chatbot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(chatbot)
- karmasimida 3y agoPALM2 is from then Google Brain I think, DeepMind didn’t bet big on LLM until much latter.
- hashtag-til 3y agoWelcome to 2022, Google!
- sho_hn 3y agoGemini is four things: The new mobile app is also called Google Gemini. Except on iOS, where Gemini is integrated into the Goople app instead. Also, while Gemini Advanced is supported in <list of countries>, this list is not the same as the <list of countries> the Google Gemini app is supported in on the Play Store. Make sure you check this before you spend money on your upgraded Google One subscription.
- shrx 3y ago> The new mobile app is also called Google Gemini. Only in the U.S. for now. The Gemini app initially will be released in the U.S. in English before expanding to the Asia-Pacific region next week, with versions in Japanese and Korean. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/google-ap-chatgpt-san-francisco-satya-nadella-b2492874.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/google-ap-chatgpt-san-fra...
- pavel_lishin 3y agoMy son is also named Bort.
- htrp 3y ago> Except on iOS, where Gemini is integrated into the Goople app instead. Is this a result of apple not allowing deeper system integrations?
- oldpersonintx 3y ago[dead]
- nottorp 3y agoI was just trying to remember how google's "ai" search thing is called earlier today. Looks like I shouldn't have bothered, they were busy renaming it. Did someone in marketing get a promotion for this?
- ra7 3y agoIt’s sad that a company of very smart people can’t figure out coherent naming. Can you imagine Apple causing confusion like this? I know it’s not a like-for-like comparison, but everything Apple does it seems like they have a grand strategy that’s clear for everyone to see. Things build up in a modular way to fit a big puzzle. Google, on the other hand, constantly makes up things on an ad hoc basis.
- deprecative 3y agoThis has to be what it's like at Google. You have marketing on one end of a table and developers in another county.
- ramraj07 3y agoAll the non programming intelligence in a place like Google likely goes into figuring out how to protect and expand one's turf, which will explain this emblematic mess.
- kevinventullo 3y agoMaybe not quite the same, but I will point out that “Apple TV” and “Apple TV+” are not just two distinct products, but are in fact entirely different categories of product. One is a piece of hardware akin to a Roku. The other is a streaming service akin to Netflix.
- lupire 3y agoThanks to Disney, "+" is the industry term for "Streaming"
- sofixa 3y agoOne company using it doesn't make it the "industry" term. It was the copycats that followed like Apple and Paramount that made it into an industry term. It kind of makes sense for Paramount, but really doesn't for Apple. Par for the course for Apple TV+, barely baked content on a barely baked poorly named service.
- hbn 3y agoYou should check out the rabbit hole of Google's various payment systems/apps. GPay, Google Pay, Google Wallet, Android Pay, etc. All the different the ways those brands (and more?) were used to describe multiple services and apps that had wildly different capabilities, sometimes varying by region, with several instances of them bringing back a previously used name for something completely different.
- malfist 3y agoThere for a while, Google had two different applications called "Google Messenger"
- IncreasePosts 3y agoThey also had an app called duo. And an app called Meet. And then Duo was renamed to "Meet", and Meet was renamed to "Meet (original)"
- ilikehurdles 3y agoAt the same time as Duo, Google launched Allo, another messaging app, neither of which should be confused with Messenger, Google’s messaging app for Android. Combined, allo and duo approximated the functionality of Hangouts, which was also split at the same time into Hangouts Chat and Hangouts Meet. Don’t confuse Hangouts Meet with Google Meet, Google’s current Zoom competitor. Hangouts Chat and Meet later become Google Chat, not to be confused with GChat, which is what many people called Google Talk for ten years. GChat was replaced by Hangouts less than a year before Hangouts was split into two Hangouts services. If you signed up for Google Voice, Google Talk would let you receive voicemails. Yes, Google has a $1.7 trillion market cap, why do you ask?
- hbn 3y agoOh you're only scraping the surface of the iceberg of Google's nonsense messaging offerings. This is from 2021 but has a good rundown. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-...
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- nytesky 3y agoDon’t forget the crypto implementation developed by the Winklevoss /s
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y agoThere's so many damned "One"s. I eagerly attend a "Google Two" or "Amazon Two"
- lupire 3y ago"Gemini" is Latin for "twin" ("two")
- hankchinaski 3y ago[flagged]
- lagt_t 3y agoGemini pro is order of magnitude better than GPT-3.5 Its pretty close to GPT-4.
- polotics 3y agoDo you have data to substantiate this? I was happy RAGging with it but colleagues swear by GPT4's wisdom, saying things like Gemini forgets the middle of contexts, hallucinates the meaning of acronyms, and so on...
- elorant 3y agoAnd I thought that only Microsoft had the unique ability of making a mess out of labeling their products
- gerash 3y agorebranding to Gemini was the right move IMHO and should've been done before the Bard branding. What do you want instead? "Google Assistant with Bard on Gemini Ultra 2" ? I'd prefer the "Google Gemini" branding better
- vrosas 3y agoThere's also Vertex AI, which is their AI platform within GCP and encompasses all of those and more...
- behnamoh 3y agoWhat's more, this part was hilarious: > Since we launched Bard last year, people all over the world have used it to collaborate with AI in a completely new way... Meanwhile Bard was not available in Canada and many other countries.
- maxglute 3y agoCan you ask Bard or Gemini to answer this question? I wonder if they'll be consistent.
- spankalee 3y agoI'm a Googler, and I think this is not only the right move but I've of the better names and renamings that the company has done. First, Gemini is just a better sounding name than Bard. And then, few users are going to care about the difference between the model and the app that lets you use the model. If Google kept this distinction they would have inevitably had to either come up with a new name for a new model, which would be needlessly confusing (when is something a new model would get tricky at times), or just call all models Gemini, again for little utility to users. Now they can just call all the generative AI Gemini and be five with it. Bard becomes the Gemini chat interface. Duet is Gemini integrated into docs. The Gemini model can just get version numbers. It's much simpler and nicer sounding to boot.
- htrp 3y ago>I'm a Googler, and I think this is not only the right move but I've of the better names and renamings that the company has done. >First, Gemeni is just a better sounding name than Bard. >And then, few years are going to care about the difference between the model and the app that lets you use the model. If Google kept this distinction they would have inevitably had to either come up with a new name for a new model, which would be needlessly confusing (when is something a new model would get tricky at times), or just call all models Gemeni, again for little utility to users. >Now they can just call all the generative AI Gemeni and be five with it. Bard becomes the Gemeni chat interface. Duet is Gemeni integrated into docs. The Gemeni model can just get version numbers. >It's much simpler and nicer sounding to boot. It would be a little bit more confidence inspiring if you could get the name correct as a Googler. Unless Gemeni is the top secret internal name inside Mountain View
- spankalee 3y agoI don't work on it, but thanks for the kind correction!
- denysvitali 3y agoYou say it's a good naming choice, yet you called it Gemeni, Gemini and Gimini. I hope you're trolling, and I've missed the joke. Additionally, the package name of the "new app" is com.google.android.apps.bard and the privacy policy is at https://support.google.com/bard/answer/13594961 https://support.google.com/bard/answer/13594961 Was this a last minute rename? Edit: I thought I was going crazy, but it seems you have just edited the comment now, but left a couple of Gemeni around :)
- lordswork 3y agoMore simply, with Bard and Duet AI names retired, it looks like this: Gemini Models gemini.google.com ------------------------------------ Gemini Nano Gemini Pro -> Gemini (free) Gemini Ultra -> Gemini Advanced ($20/month) Where each size (Nano, Pro, and Ultra) will be versioned going forward (similar to GPT-2,3,3.5,4) starting at 1.0 today.
- eitally 3y agoYes, it's that simple, but not really that simple. For example, Bard is embedded as a chatbot inside Google Messages (at least for some subset of beta users). Imho, this is a killer app sort of feature, but it hasn't been mentioned at all in the Gemini PR. Also, there's now the new Google One AI Premium sub for $20/mo, which adds Gemini to the older Google One Premium sub ($10/mo). However, that legacy sub was somewhat explicitly positioned as a solution for family sharing, especially of shared data (2TB across metered Google properties). It's unclear whether the new AI Premium sub grants Gemini access to all family members.
- lordswork 3y ago>For example, Bard is embedded as a chatbot inside Google Messages (at least for some subset of beta users). Imho, this is a killer app sort of feature, but it hasn't been mentioned at all in the Gemini PR. I haven't seen anything about this in the public , but I imagine this will also be called Gemini, just as Gemini-integration in other products is simply being called Gemini. If you are confused about subscriptions, here's another breakdown: Basic: $2/month for 100 GB Standard: $3/month for 200 GB Premium: $10/month for 2 TB AI Premium: $20/month for 2 TB + Gemini Advanced (Gemini Ultra chatbot) Good question about Gemini access for family members. Not sure myself.
- eitally 3y agoThey answered this question at the end of last week. Gemini access does not carry across family members. Only the family "master" subscriber gets access to Gemini. So yeah, not gonna happen [in my household].
- jug 3y agoMy favorite is that you subscribe to Gemini Advanced to gain access to Gemini Pro.
- summerlight 3y ago> Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Or a single brand for all of their LMM-based products?
- NelsonMinar 3y agoCongratulations, you're hired!
- modeless 3y agoNaming isn't the only thing wrong. Gemini replaces Assistant on my Pixel phone. But my phone still has two different Google voice assistants, because the microphone icon on the home screen now activates "Google Voice Search" which is not Assistant or Gemini. Also, Android provides a feature to switch between voice assistants but of course it is broken in this case and can't switch between Gemini and Assistant. That has to be done in a different place. And the settings app is still full of "Assistant" settings, some of which apply to Gemini while some apply only to the now inaccessible Assistant. Unless you happen to be using Google Maps Navigation, in which case Gemini disappears and Google Assistant comes back! So there really are three different voice assistants from Google in there... First impressions of Gemini Pro as a phone Assistant replacement are bad. It's not hands-free when triggered by the power button shortcut, apparently? When I stop talking it makes a noise like it's going to do something but it actually does nothing and I have to tap the screen to continue. After pressing the button it's quite slow to respond. I asked it to identify a plant from a picture, which Assistant/Lens can do, and it simply refused, hallucinating a long list of excuses about the poor quality of my picture, all completely false. Overall I'm glad Google is moving this direction as it's clearly the only path forward for Assistant, which has been stagnating for many years. But the implementation so far is bad.
- _ea1k 3y agoAny Google service with a chat-like feature is 100% guaranteed to have weird splits, joins, and renames like this. Don't worry, it will get worse.
- rvnx 3y agoI think this Gemini is actually a strategy from Google to launch another Messenger under disguise. You think it is an AI, but no, it's some sort of Messenger, just that they tried to replace actual users with bots, in order to fill the emptiness of Google+.
- chaostheory 3y agoIt’s tied to their promotion system where maintenance obviously does not get rewarded, so to get promoted Googlers keep changing things in an effort to signal that they are releasing something “completely new”
- attentive 3y agothey should drop Gemini Advanced and call both the service and the model Gemini Ultra