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I have, and it's pretty obvious that religion causes a lot of violence
by beeboobaa 3y ago
I have, and it's pretty obvious that religion causes a lot of violence
- noir_lord 3y agoSo does politics, sports teams, newspapers, TV, radio, various websites and humanity generally. We surveil everyone all the time then?
- beeboobaa 3y agoIt's a matter of severity. If (fans of) a sports team frequently vandalizes a town after their team plays then yes, they absolutely should be surveilled.
- vouwfietsman 3y agoMaybe everyone who worships divine literature that calls for indiscriminate violence, seems like a good start.
- tomrod 3y agoThose occur way less than the religious pipeline of radicalization.
- kingkawn 3y ago[flagged]
- CamperBob2 3y agoNot as much as police.
- beeboobaa 3y agoI'm guessing you're american, so maybe this absurd statement is true in your perceived reality, but no, the police do not cause more violence.
- CamperBob2 3y ago[flagged]
- beeboobaa 3y agoPlease don't post personal attacks to HN, and please follow the site guidelines in general: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- CamperBob2 3y agoOther sites beckon.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoIf theft is a form of violence, then American police do commit more of that form of violence than robbers do. That's factual. For feds at least - it likely is for local police too but we don't have numbers to evaluate.
- cudahater 3y ago@dang, one day I would imagine that you can deal with Islamophobia with the same scrutiny you have toward other forms of racism. Maybe in a different world.
- beeboobaa 3y agoI have not mentioned Islam anywhere, and strongly believe that any organized group that spreads hate and violence needs to be investigated and dealt with.
- wedalas453 3y ago>any organized group that spreads hate and violence Such as western war for "freedom and democracy" with bombing the middle east?
- j4yav 3y agoIt’s honestly a bit islamophobic to assume that anyone saying religious violence is bad must be attacking Muslims, isn’t it? Jumping to that conclusion requires a bunch of leaps that I’m not sure are actually true.
- GordonS 3y agoI totally agree that the "normalisation" of Islamophobia is concerning, and the rise since last October is particularly alarming... but the GP didn't mention Islam at all - they were clearly making a blanket statement about all religion.
- wedalas453 3y ago>muh *phobia There's nothing irrational in fear of islam, since whole "religion" is a call to conquest of others. Try opening a history book for a change instead of larping online about things you never experienced.
- didntcheck 3y agoA religion is an ideology, not a race, and should be a fair subject for criticism or dislike
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoThen the question is: is that down to the religion as a whole, or individuals therein? Is it morally defensible to target a whole demographic based on the actions of a few? Think hard on that one, it says a lot about what kind of person you are, what your morals and personally held values are.
- beeboobaa 3y agoOne mosque whose members have repeatedly caused problems does not equal the entire population of the religion.
- stavros 3y agoHow often have we seen problems caused by groups like, say, "the 34th street mosque gang"?
- ricardobeat 3y agoYou can boil down anything to individuals. The war in Ukraine would not be happening if every individual refused to partake. But you know very well that is not how society works. People share beliefs, they join a movement, and they do that mostly via small organizations like religious groups, political parties, friendship circles, internet forums and so on.
- lusus_naturae 3y agoYour logic is the same as the kind one expects from Twitter posts about having one poison M&M in a bowl of M&Ms, so let’s throw out the entire bowl. Here’s why it’s stupid to think like that: 1) People are not borgs or hive mind enjoined entities. Yes, they may share beliefs or have friendship circles etc. but it’s irresponsible and reaching to believe that everyone thinks or will act the same simply by virtue of being in the same mosque or temple or church etc. 2) So because people are not borgs, there is a lot of factionalization, even in the same religious group, political party, Internet forum. 3) Even still, unless someone is actively going out to do something for some organization, you cannot penalize them for thought crimes by their association. Why? Because doing so usually leads to spread of authoritarian control. This is a rough response to your comment because people already know these things on some level. I think some people willfully choose to be stupid because of their biases.
- bakul 3y agoI think it is more correct to say that religion has been used as an easy excuse and a way to bind closer the group causing violence and to dehumanize the victim group.
- contravariant 3y agoQuite a lot of which could have been avoided by states not having an unhealthy interest in who has which religion.
- esafak 3y agoReligious people often care about such things.