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Why stop there? I hear Nazis use the internet. By that logic, all internet users should be tracked.

krapp 3y ago
All internet users are tracked, either by American and American-allied intelligence services or their own governments, all the time. If you're in the Western sphere of influence everything you say and do on any internet connected device goes to an NSA server for analysis, assuming they don't simply have direct access to your data through PRISM or secret warrants. And we kill people over metadata. You can assume that what the Dutch are doing here is standard operating procedure everywhere, and that any laws to the contrary are just a facade.
- piva00 3y ago
  Tracked is different than surveilled. Being actively surveilled is much more intrusive than the gobbling of data done by the NSA.
  - krapp 3y ago
    Fair but I think the difference is minor, given just how much you can learn about people from their data alone.
- southernplaces7 3y ago
  >All internet users are tracked, either by American and American-allied intelligence services or their own governments, all the time. If you're in the Western sphere of influence everything Curious how you imply in both of these statements that this is a uniquely "western sphere" government activity. I suppose that the governments of China, Russia and all the myriad states that aren't part of the western sphere are simply privacy and freedom-loving paragons of not being irresponsible with state power?
  - krapp 3y ago
    >Curious how you imply in both of these statements that this is a uniquely "western sphere" government activity. I didn't. The purpose of the clause "or their own governments" in the part of the comment you copied was to contrast the clause "American and American-allied intelligence services" (collectively referring to the "western" sphere of influence), inclusive of non-western spheres of influence, such as China and Russia. Please, put in the minimum effort to read and understand all of the words people write, rather than simply scanning them to find some bad-faith interpretation from which to engage in political sniping. I am not the strawman living rent-free in your head. I never said anything about any non-Western government being freedom-loving paragons.
  - weberer 3y ago
    They most likely have mass surveillance programs there too. But as far as I know, there's no smoking gun like there was with the Snowden leaks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disclosures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disc...

All internet users are tracked, either by American and American-allied intelligence services or their own governments, all the time. If you're in the Western sphere of influence everything you say and do on any internet connected device goes to an NSA server for analysis, assuming they don't simply have direct access to your data through PRISM or secret warrants. And we kill people over metadata. You can assume that what the Dutch are doing here is standard operating procedure everywhere, and that any laws to the contrary are just a facade.

piva00 3y ago
Tracked is different than surveilled. Being actively surveilled is much more intrusive than the gobbling of data done by the NSA.
- krapp 3y ago
  Fair but I think the difference is minor, given just how much you can learn about people from their data alone.
southernplaces7 3y ago
>All internet users are tracked, either by American and American-allied intelligence services or their own governments, all the time. If you're in the Western sphere of influence everything Curious how you imply in both of these statements that this is a uniquely "western sphere" government activity. I suppose that the governments of China, Russia and all the myriad states that aren't part of the western sphere are simply privacy and freedom-loving paragons of not being irresponsible with state power?
- krapp 3y ago
  >Curious how you imply in both of these statements that this is a uniquely "western sphere" government activity. I didn't. The purpose of the clause "or their own governments" in the part of the comment you copied was to contrast the clause "American and American-allied intelligence services" (collectively referring to the "western" sphere of influence), inclusive of non-western spheres of influence, such as China and Russia. Please, put in the minimum effort to read and understand all of the words people write, rather than simply scanning them to find some bad-faith interpretation from which to engage in political sniping. I am not the strawman living rent-free in your head. I never said anything about any non-Western government being freedom-loving paragons.
- weberer 3y ago
  They most likely have mass surveillance programs there too. But as far as I know, there's no smoking gun like there was with the Snowden leaks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disclosures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_disc...