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Can you explain why it's not? Are you seriously proposing that if you were in a trolley problem choosing between saving the life of a random human you know noth

Can you explain why it's not? Are you seriously proposing that if you were in a trolley problem choosing between saving the life of a random human you know nothing about and a random mouse you know nothing about, you would have difficulty making the decision?

doublerabbit 3y ago
Why not? Because without animals you wouldn't be here today. We're only here today because animals have given us the resources to survive. From cavemen hunting for meat to bees, insects pollinating plants. The only resource we can provide is limited breast milk, sperm and meat. But human meat is deemed socially unacceptable, sperm only exists within biological males and the biological women has a limited timespan in their life where only if the conditions are right they lactate. So no, we have no importance. Without any feasible resources that the homo sapien race can provide, of which could provide cultivation, that in return makes humans unimportant. QED
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  > Humans are not important, we are a fault to this world. No other plant or animal is important either. Nature doesn't give a shit about any of us. The ability to actually care about abstract concepts like the suffering of others is a rare trait in the animal kingdom. Humans have it. Maybe some primates and cetaceans have it. Otherwise animals are quite content to rip each other apart in the most cruel ways possible for food. I assure you, a lion does not lose any sleep over the suffering of the gazelle. This alone makes humans a little special, no?
  - doublerabbit 3y ago
    I removed that statement but: > Humans are not important, we are a fault to this world. > This alone makes human a little special, no? No, not really. We build militant armies only to send them off to fight so we can cause brutality to the same race for all but nothing other than evil and greed. At least animals are mauling in for survival. You could say power too but at least they eat the remains.
    - ChoGGi 3y ago
      Not my cat, little bastard tortures mice and leaves me a grisly present of submission.
    - humansareok1 3y ago
      You and several others in this thread are disturbingly nihilistic misanthropes. You should not be allowed to vote nor breed, though what self respecting person would ever couple with you in the first place.
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    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      ANTS go to global war. Murdering a significant amount of your rivals over territory is a completely normal animal thing. The fact that we are very good at it and invented explosives to do it "better" is just another feather in our cap that we have made ourselves "different". Hell, dolphins murder porpoises and launch them 50 ft into the air for shits and giggles and rape other dolphins when they are bored. Philosophy is an invention of humans. Laws are an invention of humans. ETHICS are an invention of humans. Nature thinks our laughable attempts at "being ethical" are adorable. Nature is perfectly happy for us to brutally torture each other.
- doktrin 3y ago
  It's weird how the unironic use of “QED” in internet debates almost guarantees it's being applied to the most undeserving and undemonstrated of arguments.
Zambyte 3y ago
Asking for an explanation is not a contradiction.
fallowx 3y ago
If the trolley problem involved 1 human and like 50 cats I'd probably save the cats. Not to say animals are more important than humans but I imagine for most people it'd depend on the scale. Same reason most people are uncomfortable with the suffering of millions of animals for the sake of cosmetics.

doublerabbit 3y ago

Why not? Because without animals you wouldn't be here today. We're only here today because animals have given us the resources to survive. From cavemen hunting for meat to bees, insects pollinating plants. The only resource we can provide is limited breast milk, sperm and meat. But human meat is deemed socially unacceptable, sperm only exists within biological males and the biological women has a limited timespan in their life where only if the conditions are right they lactate. So no, we have no importance. Without any feasible resources that the homo sapien race can provide, of which could provide cultivation, that in return makes humans unimportant. QED

AlexandrB 3y ago
> Humans are not important, we are a fault to this world. No other plant or animal is important either. Nature doesn't give a shit about any of us. The ability to actually care about abstract concepts like the suffering of others is a rare trait in the animal kingdom. Humans have it. Maybe some primates and cetaceans have it. Otherwise animals are quite content to rip each other apart in the most cruel ways possible for food. I assure you, a lion does not lose any sleep over the suffering of the gazelle. This alone makes humans a little special, no?
- doublerabbit 3y ago
  I removed that statement but: > Humans are not important, we are a fault to this world. > This alone makes human a little special, no? No, not really. We build militant armies only to send them off to fight so we can cause brutality to the same race for all but nothing other than evil and greed. At least animals are mauling in for survival. You could say power too but at least they eat the remains.
  - ChoGGi 3y ago
    Not my cat, little bastard tortures mice and leaves me a grisly present of submission.
  - humansareok1 3y ago
    You and several others in this thread are disturbingly nihilistic misanthropes. You should not be allowed to vote nor breed, though what self respecting person would ever couple with you in the first place.
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  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    ANTS go to global war. Murdering a significant amount of your rivals over territory is a completely normal animal thing. The fact that we are very good at it and invented explosives to do it "better" is just another feather in our cap that we have made ourselves "different". Hell, dolphins murder porpoises and launch them 50 ft into the air for shits and giggles and rape other dolphins when they are bored. Philosophy is an invention of humans. Laws are an invention of humans. ETHICS are an invention of humans. Nature thinks our laughable attempts at "being ethical" are adorable. Nature is perfectly happy for us to brutally torture each other.
doktrin 3y ago
It's weird how the unironic use of “QED” in internet debates almost guarantees it's being applied to the most undeserving and undemonstrated of arguments.

Zambyte 3y ago

Asking for an explanation is not a contradiction.

fallowx 3y ago

If the trolley problem involved 1 human and like 50 cats I'd probably save the cats. Not to say animals are more important than humans but I imagine for most people it'd depend on the scale. Same reason most people are uncomfortable with the suffering of millions of animals for the sake of cosmetics.