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Proof of Gemini cheating: https://i.imgur.com/eYJDFjS.png https://i.imgur.com/eYJDFjS.png Answer about cherries falling from the sky... (there is no question

by rvnx 3y ago

Proof of Gemini cheating: https://i.imgur.com/eYJDFjS.png https://i.imgur.com/eYJDFjS.png Answer about cherries falling from the sky... (there is no question or context beforehand, this is the first question of the chat)

rvnx 3y ago
In addition just realized it thinks Apple is only one syllable.
alphabetting 3y ago
That's a bummer. I just made this one up which GPT-4 failed and Gemini got right but definitely need to do more testing to see what's being taken from online and what is actual reasoning. https://i.imgur.com/3sNr3LW.png https://i.imgur.com/3sNr3LW.png https://i.imgur.com/EIj0nZg.png https://i.imgur.com/EIj0nZg.png Edit: When I did your prompt it got it right on the first try fwiwi https://i.imgur.com/E3zYEca.png https://i.imgur.com/E3zYEca.png
- nycdatasci 3y ago
  Great example! Thanks for sharing. I tested the same prompt using a variety of GPT-4 model versions and it consistently got the answer wrong. When I continued with "use algebra/formulas to confirm your answer" it corrected the initial mistake, but I'm surprised that it's not doing that out of the box.
- mewpmewp2 3y ago
  I tried through API with latest GPT-4-Turbo-Preview and this is what I got: ------ Let's break down the information given: The school is two blocks north of the pool. This means if you are at the pool and move two blocks north, you'll arrive at the school. The convenience store is one block south of the school. Therefore, if you start at the school and move one block south, you'll reach the convenience store. Based on the first two statements, the relative positions from north to south are: School, Convenience Store, Pool. Thus, the third statement saying "The pool is south of the convenience store" is indeed true, based on the positions provided by the first two statements. ----- But it starts weirdly messing up, when I asked it to explain it using coordinates. --- Let's use a simple coordinate system to represent the positions of the school, the pool, and the convenience store. Let's assume each block corresponds to one unit in this system. We'll start with the pool as our reference point at coordinates (0,0). Remember, moving north increases the y-coordinate, while moving south decreases it. The school is two blocks north of the pool. If the pool is at (0,0), moving two blocks north puts the school at (0, +2). The convenience store is one block south of the school. If the school is at (0, +2), moving one block south puts the convenience store at (0, +1). Given these positions: The pool is at (0, 0). The school is at (0, +2). The convenience store is at (0, +1). Therefore, instead of the pool being south of the convenience store, the pool is actually located to the north of the convenience store if you consider "north" to mean increasing y-coordinates. The convenience store, being at (0, +1), is southward relative to the school but not to the pool. The pool, being at the origin point (0,0), is south of both the school and the convenience store in terms of their y-coordinates. Thus, the third statement, "The pool is south of the convenience store," is false according to the given coordinates. --- It gets coordinates and everything right, but still somehow messes up North and South.
  - Alifatisk 3y ago
    You know you can share conversations right?
- aaronharnly 3y ago
  Nice one! Gemini got it wrong in my (one) test: https://g.co/gemini/share/4bae8ca3dd0a https://g.co/gemini/share/4bae8ca3dd0a
- microtherion 3y ago
  Gemini happened to get the yes/no answer right, but the reasoning it gave is completely wrong, so it should not get any credit for it.
dev1ycan 3y ago
I genuinely believe LlMs have for the most part peaked already just like the previous iterations of ML and even brute forcing. So much money being poured into AI startups just for them to have to resort to cheating to improve their results a tiny bit and claim advancements.
snapcaster 3y ago
I'm confused on how this is "cheating" isn't it just getting the answer wrong?
- rvnx 3y ago
  It's answering with "cherries", though "cherries" were never mentioned anywhere in the question since the task was to choose between "apples" and "pears" this time, and not "cherries" and "pears" like the example found on the internet.
  - deltaburnt 3y ago
    I agree with who you're responding to. Cheating, to me, would imply that there's some sort of hard coded guiding to the LLM. This just seems like typical LLM hallucinations?
    - sp332 3y ago
      It's cheating because it has memorized the answer to the puzzle instead of using logic to solve it.
      - room500 3y ago
        I thought that is essentially what LLM's do? They learn what words/topics are associated with each other and then stream a response. In some ways, this is proof that Gemini isn't cheating... It is just doing typical LLM hallucination
        sp332 3y ago
        Well, sometimes. Sometimes not. https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.17567 https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.17567
        justanotherjoe 3y ago
        Llm's can also do some exploring based on combinatoric play of learned elements.
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summerlight 3y ago
With some shallow understanding on how those models work, this looks much more like usual hallucination likely due to sparse data around "Tabitha" and "Cherry" which makes a single training data much more representative. If you try some common names like "Emily" or "Sarah", it will just do the job. If you're trying to make the case that it's cheating because it is already in the training set, then you probably should come up with different questions. This is machine learning 101.

by rvnx 3y ago

rvnx 3y ago

In addition just realized it thinks Apple is only one syllable.

alphabetting 3y ago

That's a bummer. I just made this one up which GPT-4 failed and Gemini got right but definitely need to do more testing to see what's being taken from online and what is actual reasoning. https://i.imgur.com/3sNr3LW.png https://i.imgur.com/3sNr3LW.png https://i.imgur.com/EIj0nZg.png https://i.imgur.com/EIj0nZg.png Edit: When I did your prompt it got it right on the first try fwiwi https://i.imgur.com/E3zYEca.png https://i.imgur.com/E3zYEca.png

nycdatasci 3y ago
Great example! Thanks for sharing. I tested the same prompt using a variety of GPT-4 model versions and it consistently got the answer wrong. When I continued with "use algebra/formulas to confirm your answer" it corrected the initial mistake, but I'm surprised that it's not doing that out of the box.
mewpmewp2 3y ago
I tried through API with latest GPT-4-Turbo-Preview and this is what I got: ------ Let's break down the information given: The school is two blocks north of the pool. This means if you are at the pool and move two blocks north, you'll arrive at the school. The convenience store is one block south of the school. Therefore, if you start at the school and move one block south, you'll reach the convenience store. Based on the first two statements, the relative positions from north to south are: School, Convenience Store, Pool. Thus, the third statement saying "The pool is south of the convenience store" is indeed true, based on the positions provided by the first two statements. ----- But it starts weirdly messing up, when I asked it to explain it using coordinates. --- Let's use a simple coordinate system to represent the positions of the school, the pool, and the convenience store. Let's assume each block corresponds to one unit in this system. We'll start with the pool as our reference point at coordinates (0,0). Remember, moving north increases the y-coordinate, while moving south decreases it. The school is two blocks north of the pool. If the pool is at (0,0), moving two blocks north puts the school at (0, +2). The convenience store is one block south of the school. If the school is at (0, +2), moving one block south puts the convenience store at (0, +1). Given these positions: The pool is at (0, 0). The school is at (0, +2). The convenience store is at (0, +1). Therefore, instead of the pool being south of the convenience store, the pool is actually located to the north of the convenience store if you consider "north" to mean increasing y-coordinates. The convenience store, being at (0, +1), is southward relative to the school but not to the pool. The pool, being at the origin point (0,0), is south of both the school and the convenience store in terms of their y-coordinates. Thus, the third statement, "The pool is south of the convenience store," is false according to the given coordinates. --- It gets coordinates and everything right, but still somehow messes up North and South.
- Alifatisk 3y ago
  You know you can share conversations right?
aaronharnly 3y ago
Nice one! Gemini got it wrong in my (one) test: https://g.co/gemini/share/4bae8ca3dd0a https://g.co/gemini/share/4bae8ca3dd0a
microtherion 3y ago
Gemini happened to get the yes/no answer right, but the reasoning it gave is completely wrong, so it should not get any credit for it.

dev1ycan 3y ago

I genuinely believe LlMs have for the most part peaked already just like the previous iterations of ML and even brute forcing. So much money being poured into AI startups just for them to have to resort to cheating to improve their results a tiny bit and claim advancements.

snapcaster 3y ago

I'm confused on how this is "cheating" isn't it just getting the answer wrong?

rvnx 3y ago
It's answering with "cherries", though "cherries" were never mentioned anywhere in the question since the task was to choose between "apples" and "pears" this time, and not "cherries" and "pears" like the example found on the internet.
- deltaburnt 3y ago
  I agree with who you're responding to. Cheating, to me, would imply that there's some sort of hard coded guiding to the LLM. This just seems like typical LLM hallucinations?
  - sp332 3y ago
    It's cheating because it has memorized the answer to the puzzle instead of using logic to solve it.
    - room500 3y ago
      I thought that is essentially what LLM's do? They learn what words/topics are associated with each other and then stream a response. In some ways, this is proof that Gemini isn't cheating... It is just doing typical LLM hallucination
      - sp332 3y ago
        Well, sometimes. Sometimes not. https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.17567 https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.17567
      - justanotherjoe 3y ago
        Llm's can also do some exploring based on combinatoric play of learned elements.

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summerlight 3y ago

With some shallow understanding on how those models work, this looks much more like usual hallucination likely due to sparse data around "Tabitha" and "Cherry" which makes a single training data much more representative. If you try some common names like "Emily" or "Sarah", it will just do the job. If you're trying to make the case that it's cheating because it is already in the training set, then you probably should come up with different questions. This is machine learning 101.